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I just have this weird feeling since coming out of the church.

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hillsbororiver:

--- Quote from: jER on May 26, 2007, 05:24:46 AM ---I also felt like "a stranger there."

- Jer

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Hey Jer,

I see what you mean.....

Thanks,

Joe

indianabob:
June 2, 2007

Folks,

I just noticed what Gena said at the bottom of this page. (If she is in the 'later' resurrection it is still worth knowing the truth now)

Interesting that Gena would bring this up since she and Jerry are fairly new.

For years in another church group I wondered what my wife's fate would be.  I was mostly sure that I was destined for the first resurrection, but even though my wife attended with our children and served with the other women, she wasn't interested in doctrine and it was difficult for us to converse about what we each believed.  So with difficulty, I just left it in God's hands and believed that God would work it out somehow.  But, my faith was weak and I was unsure of what was biblical and correct.

Understanding that God desires to save all of His creation and has a plan and the power to carry out His plan is a real relief for me and for our children.  I am very pleased that many of you are finding the same truth and are able to finally trust God with all of your hearts and you mind.

Indiana Bob

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--- Quote from: gmik on May 26, 2007, 09:16:55 AM ---Matt, the LOVE you have for your wife will win her.  The way you have always talked about her here and on your myspace, well lets just say, she is one very blessed young woman!!!

To all the posters, yep, it is the same journey, more or less, we all have after having our "religion" turned upside down. That "what do I do now?" feeling. Lonely and depressed after being involved. Getting the boot when you have told the wrong person way too much.

I am passed most of that now.  Thanks to continuing in the Word, Ray's papers, and this forum.  What to do now is not my question.  What to be is.  Reading Paul tells us how a person should be living and loving God and his neighbor.  That is a full time "job"-walking in love.  Accepting His will in our lives. Letting him show us our "idols of the heart". Trusting Him for every little thing. It is very hard this "new" life.  More on the inside and not the big show "of the outward man".

Going thru the trials of life and the cleansing, purifying fire now is worth feeling a little weird.  If I am in the later resurrection it is still worth knowing the truth now.

 

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Deborah-Leigh:
Mrsnacks

It was about thirteen years ago when I came out of the Catholic Church. This coming out was marked by a collision between myself and the doctrine of Grace. As Catholics in the upper echelon ..  ::)...we were taught about living in a "state of grace" which by the way is impossible as I found out. No one is in a state of Grace only Christ Jesus is and was.

Anyway, not to digress, I went out of the Church with a huge burden of guilt as I did not know the truth yet. Then a few years later I joined a Pentecostal Church and got drawn into their doctrines and false teachings. After suffering outrageous abuse from the Pastor we finally got cut out of the Church and then we found Bible-Truths! Even then it hurt to have been discharged, cut out, rejected and slandered from the pulpit! It was a very painful passage of rites into the refreshing truth here in Rays teachings!

Just yesterday one of the members from this Penecostal Church came to visit me. There could be NO conversation regarding the church or its teachings because she is still as blind as a bat. So we talked about the recent death of her husband who was the Youth Pastor. He was killed when he used a wrench to dislodge the flap of a hot house covering that was on fire and the flap was connected to the main electrical wires that shot a jolt of over 1000 volts through him. The voltage passed through his body out his head causing holes in his cap and apparently it caused the same holes to go right through him. His wife who was visiting with me said she felt a pulse after the medicas had examined him and she asked God to raise him but then thought she was being selfish and that it was better to ask God for His will to be done. Not knowing how she was in His plan and that His will is being done and how important it is to yield to Gods will being done, I tried to encourage her but she still felt that she was in some way in command of her husbands death and that God would have returned his life to him if she had asked.  The terrible confusion in her life is sad to see yet it is her path that she is walking in pain and suffering before she too will see the truth and it too will set her free. She will not see it in the church and until she is dragged out she will not know the truth either. That much I could see after she came to visit.

The reason I share this is because it is difficult to be free and to see others still in the dungeons of heresy and still taking the opium of approval from their leaders who do not lift a finger or let anyone enter the kingdom as they themselves will not enter. It is like seeing the prisoner who likes to be in jail. When you visit, he curses you and if you show him the keys he threatens to kill you if you let him out. Their hate for the light is beastly. They have made a pact with their prison wardens and only those who really want out because Christ is influencing their hearts, will have the chains fall off and the door open up and they will leave in the dead of night to ESCAPE.

When I left the Church I only found out later what I had escaped. The further away I get, the clearer it becomes to me and weaker becomes attraction to the plagues of Babylon. The Church is sick.

this is just what I have seen and I know it is just my path but I hope it helps you to distance yourself even more from the Mother of Harlots keeping in bonds those who we suffer and desire to see set free. The opportunity arose for me to assure her that her husband is dead and not alive somewhere else and will only rise in the Resurrection. I think that was something she had never heard before. She is deep, very deep into the Church teachings but at least I could try to lift her and I think it worked.

Peace to you

Arcturus :)

bambam:
Arcturus said

--- Quote ---The reason I share this is because it is difficult to be free and to see others still in the dungeons of heresy and still taking the opium of approval from their leaders who do not lift a finger or let anyone enter the kingdom as they themselves will not enter.
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This is so hard for me.  I am still in church and I don't know how long I will be there.  But I sat back today and I feel like I got a glimpse of the swill.  It all looks so good you know.  They are good people with good intentions.  They sing these sweet songs to God and the preacher preaches this great message, right.   It is hard to look at this and think that it is bad.  Boring, maybe.  Empty, at times.  But bad-evil even-that's difficult!!  Yet, today, I looked around at everyone, and I was deep in thought thinking, "Is this the blind leading the blind?"  I usually spend my time during the sermon studying my Bible(and it has nothing to do with what the pastor is saying!). 

My husband is the music director.  If I ever leave, it will break his heart, but I am praying that God will begin to open his eyes to truth.  We have talked about some things, and he is not adamant about anything-he has always been open to discuss everything, so I have hope!   He does not yet know how I feel and I do not know how to share it with him.  I think I am just afraid of what will happen to us when he does know how I feel.  Part of me has not let go of the whole idea of church yet-the fellowship and friends I have there-but that's about all there is to it for me.  And I feel so sad about it, because I know how many people feel about others who have stopped coming to church.

This is honestly the hardest part about knowing the truth at this point-I am free, yet I have not been completely freed from Babylon.  It must hurt to leave!  We shall see. 

Beth

Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Beth

thank you for sharing. It does hurt to leave. I felt the pain and cried often after being rejected. To leave through wisdom knowledge and understanding is not how I left though. My husband and I were beginning to see the false teachings but we had no idea of what lay ahead of us in the joy of finding Bible Truths. We did not leave the Church because we were wise or knew about Bible-truths. We had already parted ways with the Church and a week or two later which was  a few days before my birthday, the Lord revealed Bible Truths via my husband to me. What a gift! What a celebration!

What I am saying is that to know and understand and still be in the "swill" must surely be very difficult. My pain was swift deep and sharp. Yours must be dull, heavy and grief filled and slow. I feel for you.  Pain is pain.

I am happy you are seeing the truth.

The truth can hurt especially if it reveals an idol. I had to repent of speaking in tongues! That hurt and I was humiliated to think how idiotic and foolish I had been! I cringed and cried after reading the teachings on the subject from Ray. I can say now after blessed repentance that to have the knowledge of the truth hurts at first but its worth everything to know the truth that does exactly as our Lord said it does. It does set free from every ugly painful and deceptive guise that cannibalizes our souls and our hopes and joy.  Better the light than the comfort that the blanket of darkness promises while it invades and distorts the truths of God.

I hope you continue to find peace in what you know so far as you learn through experience that it is as our Lord said that there are many who are called and it is only the few that are chosen. We can only accept this if we are strengthened in HIS wisdom knowledge understanding and peace. He is the potter and we are the clay and he is the author and finisher of our faith at His own time and discretion not ours.

Peace to you

Arcturus   :)

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