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mrsnacks:
I heard the teaching of Ray from Nashville and my wife had a hard time with Ray saying that Jesus suffered desease and was sickly in His life. Ray referred to Isaiah 53 . But as we read the passage She thought that He had to be a very strong individual to have survived the cross etc and not weakly. Some input ? Thanks

Evan600:

--- Quote from: mrsnacks on May 24, 2007, 08:08:15 PM ---I heard the teaching of Ray from Nashville and my wife had a hard time with Ray saying that Jesus suffered desease and was sickly in His life. Ray referred to Isaiah 53 . But as we read the passage She thought that He had to be a very strong individual to have survived the cross etc and not weakly. Some input ? Thanks

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She makes a good point...however, it seems that the Scripture is clear.  It doesn't describe specific details about how Jesus was sick, but it does say that He bore our infirmities.  There is a Scripture that I do think of to show us something else though. 

Joh 19:32  Then came the soldiers, and broke the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him.
Joh 19:33  But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they broke not his legs:

This shows us that the soliders saw that He was dead already, perhaps this death being somewhat of a shock because it so 'soon.'

Also where Jesus metioned that the Pharisees would surely say to Him; "Physician, heal yourself."

With love,

Jason

mrsnacks:
I think the point my wife was making is that she and I had been taught all along that everything was at the cross. I did a Google search and nothing came up. She believes that He bore it all on the cross. So I guess He got sickly and deseased at the cross.

My response is that Jesus can relate to us because He went through all that we go through. He understands rejection when we go to Him in prayer because He was rejected. I come to Him when I am suffering from sickness and illness because He knows - He has gone through it.  And the same goes for the person who has cancer or a desease because He bore them I believe before He got to the cross. That is why the Pharisees said to Him " Physician heal thyself. "

I do correct myself. He didn't go through all that we go through. He never married and didn't have kids etc. But as far as the suffering - He is called the Suffering Servant or Messiah in the OT.

YellowStone:
Ray is certainly entitled to speak according to the insights given him; (no one will argue the significance of Isaiah 52:13 to 53:12 I am sure) however, for the rest of us, we should not concern ourselves, whether or not Christ, was sickly, weak or crippled; either, when it began and for how long, because if it really mattered and altered the truth, the Scriptures would have made the fact known. I feel sure Paul would have written about had it been significant.

Jason, in response to your response :)

I believe that Christs seemingly quick death was due to fullment of Scripture, more so than being sickly :)

Jhn 19:28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.

Jhn 19:29  Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put [it] upon hyssop, and put [it] to his mouth.

    Psa 69:21  They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.

Jhn 19:30  When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost (spirit).

Luk 23:46  And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Notice how he cried out in a LOUD voice, he did not wimper. Notice also how Jesus "gave" up his spirit, he chose too, no one took it or were capable of taking it. This fact was not lost on many. :)

Luk 23:47 Now when the centurion saw what was done, he glorified God, saying, Certainly this was a righteous man.

I hope this does not offend anyone, but speculation on Christs physical condition does naught in changing the truth. It neither adds or takes away from the promise HE gave us.  :)

Love in Christ our Saviour,
Darren

Evan600:

--- Quote from: mrsnacks on May 24, 2007, 08:47:33 PM ---I think the point my wife was making is that she and I had been taught all along that everything was at the cross. I did a Google search and nothing came up. She believes that He bore it all on the cross. So I guess He got sickly and deseased at the cross.

My response is that Jesus can relate to us because He went through all that we go through. He understands rejection when we go to Him in prayer because He was rejected. I come to Him when I am suffering from sickness and illness because He knows - He has gone through it.  And the same goes for the person who has cancer or a desease because He bore them I believe before He got to the cross. That is why the Pharisees said to Him " Physician heal thyself. "

I do correct myself. He didn't go through all that we go through. He never married and didn't have kids etc. But as far as the suffering - He is called the Suffering Servant or Messiah in the OT.



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Ahh, I see, and I can relate.  I remember the exact church service that I was at where I was taught that exact same thing.  The guy said that in the Garden of Gethsemane was actually where the disease, and all that started to take place.  Of course, I don't think that there is any Scriptural support for such a claim.  Also, I don't think that there is any support for it just being while He was hanging on the cross.

There are definetly some questions being raised within me after the conference.  I was just sitting down with my "Apostolic Bible," Esword, and NASB while reading through the notes.  I am just fascinated to know more about Christ!

I guess things like this are what is going to stir us up to seek Him more.  After all, it is Him that works in us!

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