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It seems everyone goes through judgment in their lives here not just the elect.
mrsnacks:
I am trying to understand judgment as Ray said here along with others that judgment comes upon those chosen in our lives now. The wicked - it comes later.
But it seems the people that I am surrounded with in churches or even unbelievers- are going through purging and refining now. Those especially in Babylon. The common denominator in everyone's life is that it is filled with conflicts, suffering, pains, sickness, death etc. But we all will generally speaking face these things.
So how does one tell if you are being judged ?
Kat:
Hi mrsnacks,
We all have to experience suffering, it's part of the experience of this life, even Jesus Christ had to suffer.
Heb 5:8 though being a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered.
I would say that suffering is for learning about good and evil and consequences.
But when the Holy Spirit is indwelling, then Christ is leading you to live by His commandments, which is spiritual and not known by the carnal mind, you are learning to live as God directs.
John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you shall abide in My love, even as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
Here are a few emails that I thought would help.
http://bible-truths.com/email11.htm#responsibility ----------------
This is the only way man will LEARN right from wrong! Adam and Eve were 'TOLD' right from wrong, but not until they actually 'EXPERIENCED' right and wrong, did it make sense to them. IT IS WRONG TO SIN WHETHER WE WERE COERCED TO COMMIT SIN OR NOT. "The DEVIL MADE me do it." It matters not, YOU DID IT and are therefore accountable.
Juveniles commit MILLIONS of crimes and sins for which they are not RESPONSIBLE. But, nonetheless, our own court system HOLDS THEM ACCOUNTABLE. And even human, carnal, judges take this factor into consideration when handing out penalties.
It is the PENALTY that also CAUSES US TO CHOOSE RIGHTLY after we have chosen WRONGLY! When we burn our fingers on a hot stove, we LEARN to not touch a hot stove.
God has developed a "ways and means" to accomplish His righteous end, plan, and purpose. And God's ways are VERY WISE -- they WORK, and they work very well! We have this absolute promise from God:
"When Thy JUDGMENTS are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world, WILL LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS" (Isa. 26:9)!!!
God be with you,
Ray
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Dear Brett: "Judgment" means "to set things RIGHT." This can be done by acquittal or by sentencing. We, "the house of God" are being judged NOW (I Pet. 4:17). Jesus is our Judge. We are judged for every word we think, every thing we say, and every deed we do. There are many physical, social, financial, mental, psychological, and spiritual ways in which this is accomplished. If God is calling you to be one of His chosen Elect, then what you call "life" IS THAT JUDGMENT. We are not solely judged for what we do WRONG, but we are judged by being made to live in a world of persecution for doing RIGHT. But I cannot elaborate on all the ways that this is done in detail. Jesus uses JUDGMENT, THE COUNCIL, GEHENNA FIRE, AND PRISON to Judge His disciples (Matt. 5:21-30). See also Isaiah 26:9.
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Dear Amy:
I think that all professing Christians who are sincere make some progress in their lives in stopping certain sins. But having your mind converted so that you no longer desire sin at all, is a diferent matter. It cannot be accomplished except by God's Spirit. Many are CALLED and put certain things into practice and stop certain old habbits, but FEW ARE CHOSEN which completely turn their lives over to God so that sin no longer reigns over them. This is not something I can tell you or teach you how to do. It will be done when it's God's time to do it.
God be with you,
Ray
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Dear Shane:
No, God is not "unfair." You are still looking at the lake of fire as some kind of a dungion of torture in real fire. It is JUDGMENT, not solely punishment. And Jesus plainly has told us that it is according to the magnitude of one's crimes. "Many stripes versus few stripes."
We too go through the fire of God's spiritual judgment: Jugement is upon the house of God NOW (I Pet. 4:17 and Heb. 12:29). It isn't pleasant, but it is not total torture either. There are two aspects of Judgment: [1] We must be purged of our old carnal sinful attitudes, and [2] we must then grow spiritually by godly living and produce spiritual fruit (Gal. 5:22-25).
The Church only partially sees the need for these in those called in this life, but is totally blind to the fact that Judgment produces the same thing in the Resurrection to Judgment. They think that "grace" is merely a noun that does it all for us rather than grace being a verb that does it all IN us and THROUGH us (by the Spirit of Jesus Christ and His sacrifice on the cross). God is ABLE to make us holy and righteous through His work in us and He is likewise able to do the same for the rest of humanity in Judgment. We blaspheme if we suggest that God either does not want to save humanity or that He is unable.
God be with you,
Ray
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Dear Victor:
Hitler, Saddam and his sons, and people like John Hagee and Dr. Kennedy who gloat over billions being tortured for all eternity, and many more just like them, will be Judged in the VERY SAME WAY THAT THEY JUDGED OTHERS (Matt. 7:1-2). Their OWN SINS, will "TORMENT them" beyond comprehension, "in the PRESENCE of the Lamb" (Rev. 14:10), when God purges their evil consciences with His spiritual "CONSUMING FIRE" (Heb. 12:29).
God be with you,
Ray
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mercy, peace, and love
Kat
mari_et_pere:
Mrsnacks, is the judgement you speak of actually judgement, or is it consequences of things they've said, done, or thought? I know in my life there have been many times I could have thought that God was judging me, but what was realistically going on was consequence for how I was living, or had lived in the past. See what I'm saying?
We all will surely be judged, but I don't think any of us can quite grasp or comprehend how huge it's going to be. It won't be anything we can imagine.
Matt
Joey Porter:
I do think everyone is judged now to some extent. We know that God is sovereign and in control of everyone's lives, so any circumstances than happen in someone's life are not an accident. But how a person views judgment is going to be determined by what they believe.
For example, the average Christian who believes in eternal security would probably not see any need for judgment in this life, so they would not even realize when they are being judged or disciplined. Or someone who doesn't believe in God at all would just think that anything that happens in their lives are just by chance.
It's all about having faith that God will and does discipline us constantly, and most importanly believing and understanding that we need it every day. That way, we can recognize when He is doing it.
mrsnacks:
How does one know if he is being judged or that it is consequences. Ray has said that we are being judged now. But how are we being judged ? How does one know ? Does judgment come in the form of misfortune ?
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