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It seems everyone goes through judgment in their lives here not just the elect.
Joey Porter:
--- Quote from: mrsnacks on May 31, 2007, 11:47:48 AM ---How does one know if he is being judged or that it is consequences. Ray has said that we are being judged now. But how are we being judged ? How does one know ? Does judgment come in the form of misfortune ?
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I think consequences are judgment. Remember, nothing in the universe just "happens." God controls everything. So if someone is in a gang living a life of crime and they get shot or imprisoned, they are dealing with the consequences of what their lifestyle brought about, but they are also being judged and disciplined by God who is in control of all circumstances. Whether or not the person sees it that way will probably be what determines whether or not they repent.
Having an understanding of God's complete sovereignty is probably the most important factor in understanding how He may be disciplining us. At least, that's how I see it.
Kat:
Hi mrsnacks,
I will try to explain what I think this jugdment is :)
I think when the Holy Spirit comes into you, you began to see the world with different eyes.
I think it is about additude, mostly. You judge yourself, it's an inner feeling/conscience.
Things we do, like getting angry, gossip, cursing, or being dishonest, will bother you a lot and you just can't keep doing it. It's that way with everything, little by little your additude changes.
I think you actually judge your own thoughts, so that usually stops things from going any further to words or actions.
I'm certainly not saying you will completely stopped doing all these things, but there is a big difference in your way of thinking.
And if you do something wrong, God will bring about means to correct it swiftly. Like if you said a lie, not only would you feel badly, you would get caught in it and have to answer to the person you told it to. I guess God chastening a lot of times comes from people with deal with.
I think if Christ is there, you know it and you live accordingly as He allows. He won't try to change everything at once, that would be too much for you. But He guides you to continually overcome more and more, by showing us what we do wrong, and it is usually a painful lesson.
If you are living in Christ you do the things He wants to do, not the things you want to do :)
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
hillsbororiver:
Hi Kat,
What you said is so true, and we even get the added bonus of reflecting on things long ago forgotten until we thoroughly repent of those acts and thoughts as well! ;)
There will be no injustice, wrong, untruth, gossip, theft, lust. etc. that won't be dealt with either in this life or the one to come. There are times He may cast us into a spiritual prison where we are locked into these memories until they inspire us to literally beg for the Comfort of His Spirit, for the deliverance from our carnal thoughts and a reassurance of His healing grace.
It is a sure sign of maturation when we can experience this and have a certain joy in faith that we are being conformed into Sons and Daughters through this process.
His Peace to you,
Joe
Joey Porter:
--- Quote from: Kat on May 31, 2007, 02:24:43 PM ---
And if you do something wrong, God will bring about means to correct it swiftly. Like if you said a lie, not only would you feel badly, you would get caught in it and have to answer to the person you told it to. It guess God chastening a lot of times comes from people with deal with.
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This is true. I think this is another reason why someone who believes in human free will might have a hard time recognizing and accepting God's discipline. If we receive a humbling rebuke from someone, we shouldn't see it as someone doing it of their own free will. We should see it as God using them as a vessel to chasten us.
Of course, we should also be grateful to the person who rebuked us. But our overall understanding should be that it is God who brought it about.
mrsnacks:
Good points by all.
Here lies a problem. I see in the church many ( including me at one time ) knowing that they shouldn't do this or that and get convicted of their wrong thinking and doing. But most I see lead defeated lives. I mean they sincerely love the Lord but seemed enslaved by their hangups or carnal ways. They want to stop it but have not received the power to stop it.
My daughter struggles with smoking. I know it is hard to stop. Some say it is like being hooked on heroin. She knows it is wrong but she gets stressed and smokes once in awhile. With me it is my not understanding my wife and her ways. She accuses me of being blind in some areas. With another it could be struggling with alcohol or anger.
I have said living the Christian life is impossible in the flesh. But there is a purpose for the struggles and things that are in our lives. What I have found is that how do we get from point A to point B. Overcoming and conquering the sin or character flaw. I tell people don't worry about it. There will a day when they will, through Christ, overcome that obstacle. God is doing the work. So until then don't get uptight about it. Like Ray said about hating it enough that you will stop.
Getting to the hating part is a process.
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