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deejcop:
Have any of you read the letter on Mike's page with that title? I have to be honest with y'all and confess that sometimes...especially recently, I have thought along the same lines. Sometimes I just don't understand this God that we serve. Recently I found out that my Dad is developing Alzheimers disease. This was devastating to me. And a prayer that I've had since I was in my late twenties...that I've labored, begged, pleaded God to answer looks like it will never be. My Dad longed for grandchildren ever since I became an adult. I've prayed for a wife constantly. God is painfully silent. Makes me wonder about the scriptures "he'll give you the desires of your heart," and, "If you ask anything in my name, I'll DO it." I've told many people that if my parents die without ever seeing their grandchildren, then they'll be nothing left for me to live for. I'm feeling that more and more now, as my Dad just is not the same joyful man he once was, and he's forgetting very basic things that he's known for years.

My heart is so heavy, y'all. I truly feel what Al is saying. God can seem so cruel. I've always said that the loudest sound in all the universe is God's silence. Sometimes I can honestly say that I feel hatred towards him. I know better, but sometimes I just can't help it.
Y'all are wonderful people. I needed this outlet. I just needed to vent. I know life aint fair. I know God really aint fair. When you look at it, was it fair for him to put a innocent man to death...to bear the sins of people who are guilty? My former pastor used to say, "God aint fair, he's just."

If y'all ever think about it, won't you please say a prayer for me, and for Pops. I can see some tough times ahead. I just hope I'm ready for them.

Bless y'all.

ertsky:
i hear ya DJ, and i read the letter over at Mikes

you know two things spring to mind

first is labour pains

when a woman is in travail if you say to her, "honey isn't this great!" she will probably punch you or bite you

but when the child is born it's like a different story, it's all "isn't she lovely" "mummies little precious"

second is surgery

when a man is having a leg amputated without pain killers if you say to him "this is for your own good" well you'd better duck

but when that same man years later is bouncing that favourite baby grandson on his knee (the other one LOL!) and you remind him of the surgery he might even smile.

i know nothing i say can placate the pain that existence sometimes brings,  in this life, i have felt what it is to hate the gift of life, like many others, i have despaired even of life at times.

but it isn't over yet...

Rom 8:20  For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
 
one day this following verse is going to be true

Rev 5:13  And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
Rev 5:14  And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

i guess what i'm trying to say is that God is not going to dig a hole so deep that He can't get Himself and all of us out of.

but right now to some it justifiably appears to be a very deep hole indeed.

just my two mites

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rvhill:

--- Quote from: deejcop ---Have any of you read the letter on Mike's page with that title? I have to be honest with y'all and confess that sometimes...especially recently, I have thought along the same lines. Sometimes I just don't understand this God that we serve. Recently I found out that my Dad is developing
. This was devastating to me. And a prayer that I've had since I was in my late twenties...that I've labored, begged, pleaded God to answer looks like it will never be. My Dad longed for grandchildren ever since I became an adult. I've prayed for a wife constantly. God is painfully silent. Makes me wonder about the scriptures "he'll give you the desires of your heart," and, "If you ask anything in my name, I'll DO it." I've told many people that if my parents die without ever seeing their grandchildren, then they'll be nothing left for me to live for. I'm feeling that more and more now, as my Dad just is not the same joyful man he once was, and he's forgetting very basic things that he's known for years.

My heart is so heavy, y'all. I truly feel what Al is saying. God can seem so cruel. I've always said that the loudest sound in all the universe is God's silence. Sometimes I can honestly say that I feel hatred towards him. I know better, but sometimes I just can't help it.
Y'all are wonderful people. I needed this outlet. I just needed to vent. I know life aint fair. I know God really aint fair. When you look at it, was it fair for him to put a innocent man to death...to bear the sins of people who are guilty? My former pastor used to say, "God aint fair, he's just."

If y'all ever think about it, won't you please say a prayer for me, and for Pops. I can see some tough times ahead. I just hope I'm ready for them.

Bless y'all.
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 God is not only fair, he love us.

John 3:16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, [ Or his only begotten Son] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

John 16:27No, the Father himself loves you because you have loved me and have believed that I came from God.

Your father dieing from Alzheimer's disease is a very hard lesson, but life some time has hard lessons. Know this no one win at life. The purpose of this life is to lose.


 You may know and believe these things, but you do not have faith in these things.

1 Timothy 1:15 (Whole Chapter)
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners—of whom I am the worst.


2 Timothy 1:9 (Whole Chapter)
who has saved us and called us to a holy life—not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time,



you will marry when God wishes you to marry, not when you wish it.

Matthew 6:34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

Matthew 6:34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

Matthew 26:39 (Whole Chapter)
Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will

Mark 14:36 (Whole Chapter)
"Abba, [ Aramaic for Father] Father," he said, "everything is possible for you. Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will


PS
Matthew 6:34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own. "

nightmare sasuke:

--- Quote from: deejcop ---Have any of you read the letter on Mike's page with that title? I have to be honest with y'all and confess that sometimes...especially recently, I have thought along the same lines. Sometimes I just don't understand this God that we serve. Recently I found out that my Dad is developing Alzheimers disease. This was devastating to me. And a prayer that I've had since I was in my late twenties...that I've labored, begged, pleaded God to answer looks like it will never be. My Dad longed for grandchildren ever since I became an adult. I've prayed for a wife constantly. God is painfully silent. Makes me wonder about the scriptures "he'll give you the desires of your heart," and, "If you ask anything in my name, I'll DO it." I've told many people that if my parents die without ever seeing their grandchildren, then they'll be nothing left for me to live for. I'm feeling that more and more now, as my Dad just is not the same joyful man he once was, and he's forgetting very basic things that he's known for years.

My heart is so heavy, y'all. I truly feel what Al is saying. God can seem so cruel. I've always said that the loudest sound in all the universe is God's silence. Sometimes I can honestly say that I feel hatred towards him. I know better, but sometimes I just can't help it.
Y'all are wonderful people. I needed this outlet. I just needed to vent. I know life aint fair. I know God really aint fair. When you look at it, was it fair for him to put a innocent man to death...to bear the sins of people who are guilty? My former pastor used to say, "God aint fair, he's just."

If y'all ever think about it, won't you please say a prayer for me, and for Pops. I can see some tough times ahead. I just hope I'm ready for them.

Bless y'all.
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It's hard to endure God's grace.

"For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth" (Heb 12:6, KJV).

The pain you're expierencing shows that God LOVES YOU. It is hard...hard to endure, but, "If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?" (Heb 12:7, KJV).

The benefit of God's loving grace is it helps you become a son:

"But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye ********, and not sons" (Heb 12:8, KJV).

Being without chastisement makes one a *******, and not a son.

I will comment on some of what you said.

"Recently I found out that my Dad is developing Alzheimers disease."

COMMENT: I'm sorry... You'll be in my prayers, as well as your father.

"And a prayer that I've had since I was in my late twenties...that I've labored, begged, pleaded God to answer looks like it will never be."

COMMENT: Prayers are not always answered. Soon after Christ's death, multiple Christians died despite prayer. Titus had "often infirmities" and Paul recommended that Titus should "use a little wine for thy stomach's sake" (1Ti 5:23). Steven, moreover, was stoned to death (Act 7:59, KJV). Paul was "Thrice ... beaten with rods, once ... stoned, thrice ... suffered shipwreck, a night and a day ... [was] in the deep; In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by [his] own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren; In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness. (2Co 11:25-27). Christ was spit on, mocked, and crucified. In fact, the apostles even said, "we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God" (Act 14:22, KJV).

I am learning every day that being one of God's elect is EXTREMELY DIFFICULT! Being a true follower of Christ is not the pretty picture TBN illustrates!

"To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus" (1Co 5:5, KJV).

Part of being a true follower of Christ involves falling into the ground and dying to the flesh.

"And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead" (Mat 8:21, KJV).

Jesus is teaching is elect to forget about the pleasures and sorrow of this world and strive for perfection.

"My heart is so heavy, y'all. I truly feel what Al is saying. God can seem so cruel. I've always said that the loudest sound in all the universe is God's silence. Sometimes I can honestly say that I feel hatred towards him. I know better, but sometimes I just can't help it."

COMMENT: Paul and every one of God's elect are and will go through what you're going through.

"And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to mea thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure" (2Co 12:7).

God gave Paul a thorn in the flesh "lest [he] should be exalted above measure."

Paul, just like you, and just like I would, "besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from [him]" (verse 8 ).

God responded, "My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I [Paul] rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me" (verse 9).

You cannot see it now, Job couldn't see it at first, neither could Paul, but this expierence is helping you. It will help you. You might not be able to see it, but it will help you. "For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth" (Heb 12:6, KJV). You may not understand God's ways, but understand this: God loves you! His love is further examplified through your tribulation. Remember it: God loves you.

I cannot answer you with man's wisdom as to what good will and is coming out of this expierence, and I cannot tell you with man's wisdom why God works the way he does, but I can tell you what the Scriptures say. You might not like it, but it's human instinct to not like what God does, "Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be" (Rom 8:7).

Here are what the scriptures say concerning your expierence:

"...it is an experience of evil Elohim has given to the sons of humanity [you...] to humble them by it" (Ecc 1:13, CLV).

But...

"To him that overcometh will [Christ] give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God" (Rev 2:7, KJV).

"Pray without ceasing" (1Th 5:17, KJV). But... "Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought..." (Rom 8:26, KJV), because ""Because the carnal mind is enmity against God" (Rom 8:7). Nevertheless, "Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms" (Jam 5:13, KJV). Keep praying! BUT! Do not hate the Lord if your prayer is unanswered, because God is moving everything according to his own will, and whether we like it or not, it's not always God's will for people to be healed.

Keep in mind, the 1000s of people Jesus healed turned on him and crucified him.

I will keep you in my prayers, and I'm sure the entire board will! Keep a look out for Ray's paper, "The Answer to Unanswered Prayers." And again, I'm sorry.

Michael A.:
The answer to unanswered prayer, I think, can be found at the core of the relationship each of us have with God.

Jesus thanked our Father for ALWAYS hearing His prayer.  That is something to catch our attention.  Would you like to find yourself in THAT place, where God is already answering your prayer before you even finish asking?

Jesus said many interesting things.

Another is when Jesus said that our Father never left Him alone, because He always chose the things that pleased His Father.  The key word in that statement, I think, is "because".  It links the former with the latter, like cause and effect.  It shows us the path that is fruitful.  I don't like being "left alone", do you?  Since Jesus is willing to show us the pathway, are we willing to walk down it?

What the scripture seems to suggest here is that choosing what pleases our Father is very important.  Personally, I believe it is a key to answered prayer.  When we are so aligned with God, heart to heart by the Spirit of God that we choose our prayers by what what we believe would be pleasing to our Father; by what will accomplish His will in our lives and in the lives of them we pray for, THEN, I think, we have struck a chord with Jesus and the Father.

I don't think we have to know the will of God as much as we need to be willing to comply with it whatever it is in a given situation.  Being "willing" is the attitude of a heart that is perfectly submitted in trust, and that is pleasing to God, and we all know that God looks on the heart.

The other part is the timing.  God has a plan, and in His plan is a certain timing.  He doe4s these things in perfect timing, and in my experience, He likes to wait till the last possible moment - or just beyond that moment - to perform a miracle.  But then, maybe that's just me, heh heh heh.  Nevertheless, with the benefit of hindsight I am able to see how God does much more than we even ask or think when He moves miraculously - often impacting people in ways that we have no idea of.  Of course, there is an entire world and billions of people to consider when He answers a certain request - so don't be surprised when He maximizes the impact by choosing a time that we would rather not wait on - not being able to see the entire picture as He does.

Lastly, be encouraged to keep praying, and never give up.  We have a friend in Jesus, and He desires to give to us good gifts.

For your father's cure, I agree with you and I ask God to answer your request for your dad's healing, in Jesus' name.  Amen.  

So go and tell him that people who do not even know him are praying for him, because a brother in Christ ASKED in faith.

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