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mari_et_pere:

--- Quote ---I think Prov 23:7 speaks to these issues, "For as he thinketh in his heart, so [is] he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart [is] not with thee." 

Strange how what a person is thinking sometimes produces their action and sometimes not.  The double minded man (James 1) unstable in all his ways says one thing, but his heart is on something else.  While the righteous, who's eye is single, speaks exactly as he is.  Only when our houses come crashing down from being built on the sand can we speak as we are because God has removed and is removing and will remove our pretense from us.

I just had another thought, when Jesus says that they all may be one as We are in John 17.  Perhaps, this is an aspect of His meaning.  The oneness meaning truthful.  As if to say, that they all may be truthful as We are.  Wow, that's a cool connection.  I like it.

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Proverbs 23:7 does speak of things like that yes. Sounds like a warning of hidden intentions. "He" says come eat and drink with me, and he treats you with kindness, but his heart is full of ill intentions.

Why would the double minded man in James 1:8 be unstable in all his ways? Because to some he's one thing, to others he's another. He lies to cover up his double mindedness. He's straddling the fence. We all know how that works. It doesn't. It causes unstableness with both [all] sides.

I assume that your reference from John is John 17:22 where Jesus is in the middle of praying for his disciples.

Joh 17:20  Neither pray I for these alone, [his disciples] but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
Joh 17:21  That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Joh 17:22  And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Joh 17:23  I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.


 

ciy:
I think this is a great thread that is deep and wide. 

It is the heart that must be cleansed.  The inside of the cup so to speak.  If we act out our good intentions, i.e. - Make your self be a good husband - instead of being a good husband because the deep desire of your heart is to be a good husband because Christ in you has made you want to be a good husband and you have no control but to be a good husband...THEN (sorry for the rambling) you have cleaned the inside of the cup.  Cleaning the outside of the cup, being a good husband in the flesh profits you nothing.

Let me make sure I am not confusing by just using a good husband as an example.  Proverbs 23:7 connects with the verse in Corinthians that says if you give money to the poor and have not love it is like a clanging cymbol.  It is all about Christ in you.  If you sin in an elevator when no one is looking that is what is in your heart no matter how nice of a person you are to others.

Awesome
Christ in You
CIY

joyful1:
Right on Ciy, I agree!   :)

Joe-- I think you summed up the whole thread with this:
"keeping in mind that the Lord sacrificed Himself for all men therefore all men are bought and paid for by Christ and we disrespect Him if and when we devalue any of the brethren."

And I DO hear this...daily! Its as if there is this "inner mirror" ... always reflecting the stage of my development back to me as I converse with others.....I am constantly being made aware of that need to remove the beam from my own eye first!

sorry for the slow response....been MIA for a while ....daughters home on break...yeah!!
joyce :D

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