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Christ's death and his spirit
rocky:
Prior to coming to earth in a fleshly body, Christ was alive with God. He thot, moved, reacted, and created. He was with the Father and was the Word.
When he came to earth, what happened to Christ the spirit?
Is this the same spirit that returned to God the father at his death?
nightmare sasuke:
I'm not sure if there are any scriptures that can answer your question, but the way I see it is, Christ had a spiritual body before his human birth, the Father transferred that spiritual body into Christ's flesh body and it became a regular spirit, meaning when Christ died, he died like a normal human—his spirit returned to the Father, his soul went to the unseen. When he was resurrected, he was resurrected in a spiritual body, meaning he became the way he was before his birth. Not sure if I'm right. I don't think there is a way to answer this question without opinion.
ciy:
The whole bible answers this question. Christ was slain before the foundation of the earth. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever. He is a quickening spirit. The spirit of Christ that is in you is the exact same Christ that was in Jesus 2000 years ago. No different. The flesh will profit you nothing. It is the spirit that gives life. The zoe life Jesus talked about is the life you live when you realize that God really is not a respecter of persons, and the spirit that is in you is the Christ, the anointed one, that was in Jesus. We are all Kings in our Father's palace and until we come close to God with our hearts and not just our mouths, we will realize this. He came to His own and His own received Him not, but to whoever will receive Him to them gave he power to become Sons of God. Do not take the Name in vain. If you are not ready to start the process of becoming the exact image of Jesus, then do not take the Lord's name in vain.
The truth is pretty powerful isn't it.
It is written.
Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
What is the Word? It is God according to John 1:1. If the Word which is God Almighty has come to you and scripture cannot be broken then what, and who are you?
CIY
chrissiela:
Jesus is not the Father, but He "came OUT FROM the Father". They are one and they share the same spirit.
As I see it, when Christ was born into the flesh, God breathed life (His spirit) into Him - just as He breathes life (His spirit) into each and every one of us. (We are His "offspring".) The difference is... is that Christ received the FULLNESS of His spirit. The fullness of the Father dwelled in Him bodily until His death on the cross ("Why has thou forsaken me?")
Then when Christ died His physical death, His spirit (breathe of life, not unlike the breath of life that we all have) went back to the Father and He died.
When He rose from the dead, He went back to the Father and they are now ONE again. That is why "another comforter" comes to us in the form of the Holy Spirit, which is BOTH the Father AND the Son).
When we die to the flesh and receive spiritual LIFE (HIS Life in us) we receive that Holy Spirit - both the Father and the Son. When we die a physical death our spirit (and His Holy Spirit, both of which come from the Father) returns back to the Father.... just as it was when Jesus died.
When we are resurrected and the Father breathes life back into our soul He will again put His Holy Spirit into us, the fulness thereof - of the Father and the Son... in ALL ... making Him "all in all".
I hope I said that as clearly as I am thinking it. It's not always easy to explain it in words, though it is clear in my thinking.
Chrissie
rocky:
--- Quote from: chrissiela ---Jesus is not the Father, but He "came OUT FROM the Father". They are one and they share the same spirit.
As I see it, when Christ was born into the flesh, God breathed life (His spirit) into Him - just as He breathes life (His spirit) into each and every one of us. (We are His "offspring".) The difference is... is that Christ received the FULLNESS of His spirit. The fullness of the Father dwelled in Him bodily until His death on the cross ("Why has thou forsaken me?")
Then when Christ died His physical death, His spirit (breathe of life, not unlike the breath of life that we all have) went back to the Father and He died.
When He rose from the dead, He went back to the Father and they are now ONE again. That is why "another comforter" comes to us in the form of the Holy Spirit, which is BOTH the Father AND the Son).
When we die to the flesh and receive spiritual LIFE (HIS Life in us) we receive that Holy Spirit - both the Father and the Son. When we die a physical death our spirit (and His Holy Spirit, both of which come from the Father) returns back to the Father.... just as it was when Jesus died.
When we are resurrected and the Father breathes life back into our soul He will again put His Holy Spirit into us, the fulness thereof - of the Father and the Son... in ALL ... making Him "all in all".
I hope I said that as clearly as I am thinking it. It's not always easy to explain it in words, though it is clear in my thinking.
Chrissie
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This whole subject confuses me. Are you saying that the spirit breathed into Christ in the flesh, was not the same spirit/Christ that was with the Father before coming in the flesh?
Wasn't Christ a seperate entity from the father in "heaven" prior to coming in the flesh, even though still one with the father, just as husband and wife are one, yet seperate?
Why didn't the spirit when returned to the father at Christ's crucifixion, become the same spirit/Christ as before he came in the flesh?
Ahhh, I don't understand this. any help would be great.
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