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Question on Phileo love
rocky:
I just read the article by Ray on love.
Here is a part of his article (highlighting is mine)
....Remember I gave you two definitions, and I said agapao in like a one-way street. The good Samaritan did not expect anything in return, for helping that man, who was dying on the side of the road, it’s a one-way love.
But then I said, this phileo, this brotherly love, this affectionate love, this give you a kiss on the cheek love, this is like a two-way street. That the reason we have this love for a close friend or wife and children, is because they reciprocate. You hug them, they hug you back. You do a favor for them, they do a favor for them back. You help them, they help you, you feel sad, when they feel sad, they feel sad when you feel sad. That’s why you get so close, you support each other, you love each other, you’re physically in contact, you see.
My daughter is 18, she still sits on my lap, there’s nothing wrong with that.
But, so I told you that there is a scripture, that actually tells you that? That that’s what phileo is, and that’s why phileo love exist. Yes there is a scripture, this is a remarkable scripture, John 16:27 f"or the Father Himself loves(phileo) you, because you loved Me and have believed that I came from God."There it is. Why does God love us, His elect?
Because we loved Jesus Christ and to the Father that is the same as loving Him. Because no man has ever seen the Father or heard His voice at any time. But Jesus has made Himself known, in Spirit, in the Comforter and through His Word, you see.
So there’s your phileo love and it’s God’s definition. God agape love us, even if we split in His face. But that’s the reason He phileo loves us and He loves us and not the world. He does not, so phileo the world, it is not in there. He agape’s the world and not phileo them.
The only places you will see God phileo anyone, is His Son and us, the elect, no one else. Those who reciprocates, He loves us because He said (He is talking to His disciples now), My Father loves you and they didn’t know that before. But He said, I am telling you, My Father loves you, and the reason is, because you love Me. I’ve given them Your Word, I’ve been teaching you, it’s the same as the Father. The words that I speak , Christ said, they are the Father’s. The things that I do, the works that I do, it’s all the Father. And you excepted and reciprocated and love Me for it, and that is why My Father loves you.
There it is.
So here is my question,
Phileo love at first glance to me seems to be carnal love, love based on reciprocity. But Phileo love can not be carnal love, because it comes from the Father, and he himself phileo loves us.
And since it is God who works in us to do his good will, when we phileo love someone it comes from God. It is God working through us.
But many, or nearly all people, believers and non believers, phileo love someone, whether that be there kids, wife, mom, dad, dog, etc.
So does this mean that the God is working through all by his spirit?
yet another interesting point, is that the fruit of the spirit is agape love.
Is phileo love not a fruit of the spirit?
hillsbororiver:
Hi Rocky,
Your question got me thinking about these questions, all love originates from God the Father, I think we can all agree there.
Did/does the Father love/loved Jesus more than Judas who betrayed Him, or the Pharisees who hardened their hearts toward Christ?
Do you believe it is all the same (love) to Him?
How can any real true love be carnal? Not lustful temporal love but the type of love where one would sacrifice even their own life for another? Where in scripture does it state any real love is carnal, for that matter where did Ray state any real love is carnal?
To truly love and be loved is a gift from God not a carnal urge to be burned out.
His Peace to you,
Joe
P.S. All humanity gets a taste of phileo love. Through His grace may attain the "charity" toward all which is agape love and the greatest of the fruits of the spirit as it encompasses all.
2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
2Pe 1:5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
2Pe 1:6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
2Pe 1:7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity26.
2Pe 1:8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
G26
ἀγάπη
agapē
ag-ah'-pay
From G25; love, that is, affection or benevolence; specifically (plural) a love feast: - (feast of) charity ([-ably]), dear, love.
Peter seems to be saying there is a progression to charity (agape) through faith in Him, this is not inherent in the natural (carnal) man.
rocky:
Hi Joe, I can't get the quote button to work so I'll do in colors.
Joe writes:
Your question got me thinking about these questions, all love originates from God the Father, I think we can all agree there.
I do agree, that is what i find amazing, that God is working in this age, in the non elect to love, at least phileo love
Did/does the Father love/loved Jesus more than Judas who betrayed Him, or the Pharisees who hardened their hearts toward Christ?
I think after reading Ray's article, he doesn't agape love Jesus more that Judas, but he does phileo love Jesus more than Judas
Do you believe it is all the same (love) to Him?
no, see above
How can any real true love be carnal?
even phileo, that was my point. Amazing to me, that a carnal man can phileo someone, when that is true love, God's phileo love
Not lustful temporal love but the type of love where one would sacrifice even their own life for another?
Seems to me Joe, you are equating true love as only agape love, not phileo love. But even more amazing to me, is where a non believer will sacrifice his life to save another, which appears to me to be agape love
Where in scripture does it state any real love is carnal, for that matter where did Ray state any real love is carnal?
no where that I know. Making my point, that I find it weird that a carnal man can Love, but it appears to me they can, at least phileo love
To truly love and be loved is a gift from God not a carnal urge to be burned out.
His Peace to you,
Joe
hope my post makes more sense now Joe. Basically, i feel perplexed that man can love (phileo or agape, and not be a believer. But to me it sure seems that this can be the case. What do you think?
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: rocky on June 12, 2007, 08:20:39 PM ---
hope my post makes more sense now Joe. Basically, i feel perplexed that man can love (phileo or agape, and not be a believer. But to me it sure seems that this can be the case. What do you think?
--- End quote ---
Yes Rocky it does,
Can we perceive phileo love as a shadow of the more encompassing pure agape love we hope to one day attain?
Which is the greater more spiritual love? I think in a sense we can equate the breath of His spirit of life which he gives all men now as being a shadow of the Spiritual Life He will eventually give all His Sons and Daughters.
I don't think we can call the breath (spirit) that God breathed into Adam (and all men) carnal but the Spiritual Sonship we aspire to greatly exceeds this first breath He gave us.
His Peace to you,
Joe
rocky:
Intersting Joe.
I'm not sure about the shadow idea, that being, phileo is the shadow of the spiritual (agape).
1Co 16:22 If anyone doth not dearly love (phileo) the Lord, let him be anathema that is, "accursed" : Maran atha that is, "The Lord, cometh" .
Gal 3:10 For, as many as are of works of law, are, under a curse,—for it is written—Accursed, is everyone that continueth not in all things that are written in the book of the law to do them
Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
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