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Questions on Christs baptism
Bill:
For Reference here are four accounts of the baptism.
Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Mar 1:10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:
Mar 1:11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Luk 3:21 Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,
Luk 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
Joh 1:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
Joh 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
Who Saw the spirit like a dove?
How does one see a spirit?
Who's voice said "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased"? And who heard it?
Remember this is Matthews, Mark, Luke and John witness account of what happened.
Thanks
Craig:
--- Quote ---Who's voice said "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased"?
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Well for the question of who's voice, we know it was not the father.
Christ's words
John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
Ray touched on this in Nashville, if you get a chance to listen to it.
Craig
Bill:
Hi Craig,
Thanks for the reply.
--- Quote from: Craig on June 15, 2007, 11:32:29 AM ---
--- Quote ---Who's voice said "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased"?
--- End quote ---
Well for the question of who's voice, we know it was not the father.
--- End quote ---
Any ideas who then?
Reminds me of this riddle -
A young boy and his father were out playing football when they were caught at the bottom of a giant pileup. Both were injured and rushed to the hospital. They were wheeled into separate operating rooms and two doctors prepped up to work on them, one doctor for each patient. The doctor operating on the father got started right away, but the doctor assigned to the young boy stared at him in surprise. "I can´t operate on him!" the doctor exclaimed to the staff. "That child is my son!"
How can that be?
--- Quote from: Craig on June 15, 2007, 11:32:29 AM ---Christ's words
John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
--- End quote ---
There is scripture that state no man has seen God but are there any that say no man has not heard God?
Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
So who is the ye? "Ye have neither heard his voice at any time"
--- Quote from: Craig on June 15, 2007, 11:32:29 AM ---Ray touched on this in Nashville, if you get a chance to listen to it.
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I have finished the first two or three perhaps it is time to finish the rest :-)
Thanks
hillsbororiver:
Hi BK & Craig,
Luk 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Luk 19:40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.
I know that when I try to figure out the power and majesty of God my puny brain just cannot fathom very much at all.
The message that was proclaimed at the Lord's baptism was from the Father but was it really His voice? Do we presently have the technology to synthesize vocal communication? Could the Father have just manipulated the wind, air, water or whatever to proclaim His pleasure? Would He be limited to using His Spiritual vocal chords?
This is what came to mind when I saw this question presented.
His power is beyond our comprehension.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
Kat:
Hi BK,
--- Quote ---There is scripture that state no man has seen God but are there any that say no man has not heard God?
Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
So who is the ye? "Ye have neither heard his voice at any time"
--- End quote ---
The ye is the Jews that Jesus was speaking to. This statement that He made would mean anyone I would think.
Joh 5:18 Then, because of this, the Jews sought the more to kill Him, because He not only had broken the sabbath, but also said that God was His father, making Himself equal with God.
v. 19 Then Jesus answered and said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, The Son can do nothing of Himself but what He sees the Father do. For whatever things He does, these also the Son does likewise.
v. 37 And the Father Himself, which hath sent Me, hath borne witness of Me. Ye have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His shape.
The word 'heard' in verse 37;
G191
akouō
A primary verb; to hear (in various senses): - give (in the) audience (of), come (to the ears), ([shall]) hear (-er, -ken), be noised, be reported, understand.
The Father has the whole heavenly host at His service to do whatever He commands. So it would seem these messengers would be used to speak for God when needed.
Rev 5:2 "And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming with a loud voice..."
Rev 14:15 "And another angel came out of the temple, crying in a great voice..."
Rev 19:17 "And I saw one angel standing in the sun. And he cried with a great voice..."
I hope this helps :)
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
p.s. I like what you said Joe, certainly God could use any means to speak.
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