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skydreamers:
Thanks Darren, that was well said and my sentiments as well....
Mrsnacks, I do understand what you are saying about "interpretations". However, sometimes I think we have to go with what rings true to us. That portion I quoted of Ray's teaching really hit home with me. And if you do word studies on these things (use e-sword, it's great) and pray for your eyes to be open, you can begin to see substantial scriptural evidence for what Ray has said. (which really is a huge study onto itself).
There may be some kind of literal end-time prophecy within revelation, but what interests and moves me more is how it applies to my spiritual life now....I am drawn to and earnestly seeking the spiritual meanings.
Certainly I don't understand it all now. But it's safe to say, I think, that the whole bible supports the idea that mankind is going through a process.
And that was my point, it may seem off-topic to this thread, but I was trying to show that we are all of us here at this forum somewhere in this process...some have left the church system, some haven't.
God is working with each of us to burn out the dross, whatever that may be in our lives.
Satan is not just in the church, he's the god of this world. I don't need to be in church to be sucked in by the enemy. I know he is there, but I know he is outside of the Christian church system (I use to be involved with occult things). If you want to avoid Satan, you might as well check out right now, because as far as I can see, Satan is a tool for discipline, and the disciplining doesn't end just because you've left a church system.
We are all susceptible of being given over to Satan at any time, for the destruction of the flesh:
you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.
1 Corinthians 5:5
Peace,
Diana
LittleBear:
Ok, in Rev. 18:4 it says, Come out of her My people
I take that to mean I was His person even though I was still in the church system. God calls us out, and calls us His people while we are IN the church. He shows us the corruption there and leads us out. He gives us eyes to see and we no longer want to be in that false system.
Rocky, please come back! We are all still a work in progress and are learning His ways as He shows us.
Ursula
DuluthGA:
Hi Matt, interesting question.
My perspective is these church goers are believers [in Jesus Christ as the Son of God] and therefore must have some of God's Spirit in them. Perhaps you have more of a measure of that Spirit, as I believe we here at BT do as we've been Given more spiritual understandings. (We know according to John 3: 34 that God gave His Son His Spirit without measure.)
God knows you are not going there to partcipate in a vain physical act of worship; you are going there to support your family which is noble. I think even mingling with the Churchianity community affords a great opportunity to spread the truths as we have come to know them, albeit subtly.
I would use the situation to place my handmade "Hello, BibleTruths.com" labels around the place, leave one in a pew or where someone will be sure to pick them up. Sometimes I just walk up to people and hand them one with a smile. [The labels are nature pictures with the website on the back.]
You are not "fellowshipping" with these people per se. So I definitely wouldn't give it too much negative thought. I would go ahead and enjoy praising God in a reasonable manner for that moment.
Take Care, Caregiver
josh:
When one reads or speaks of "coming out" of the church... is one to take this literally, as to no longer set foot in a physical building? or associate with a particular physical group of people?
Or is this a spiritual command? To spiritually become detached from the carnal/fleshly doctrines associate with Babylon? Is this simply a state of spiritual maturity, a progression beyond settling for the milk and moving on to the true meat of the Word?
Is it a one time occurrence? or is it part of dying daily.... does it have an is, was and will be application?
Can one ever totally "come out" of Babylon while we are still in the flesh?
Or perhaps we are again facing another "parable"?
The truth of the matter is... it won't matter how long this thread becomes or how many people get involved or how many scriptures are quoted or how many quotes one may give from Ray's various articles, emails and letters... God has us all at different places, all looking at the same thing from different angles and through different lenses.
Perhaps we can all rest assured that God has us all exactly where He desires us to be at this very moment.
If I may, I would like to offer one more scripture to this discussion to be considered:
Luke 17:20-21 - Later, he was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God was coming, and he gave them this reply: "The kingdom of God never comes by watching for it. Men cannot say, 'Look, here it is', or 'there it is', for the kingdom of God is inside you."
What I see a great deal of in this thread, including my earlier post, is that we are attempting to apply the spiritual commands of the Word of God outwardly. We are failing to see that spiritual secrets of the Kingdom of God can only be seen when we apply them inwardly.
The entirety of the Word of God is happening within... and many will be left trying to figure out who are the "few" and who are the "many"... who are the "called" and who are the "chosen"...
Look inside... you will find them all.
God's Peace.
Josh
Craig:
Thank you Josh, finally a post with wisdom and compassion.
I'm not sure anything else should be said.
Blessings
Craig
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