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A question of NT emphasis
Tom:
Hi Janice,
The sheer weight of the cumulative verses is awesome!
Thank you for taking the time to put them all into one thread.
This all reminds me of several verses:
1Co 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
Eph 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
Eph 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
Eph 3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
Eph 6:19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
Col 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Col 4:3 Withal praying also for us, that God would open unto us a door of utterance, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in bonds:
Rom 16:25 Now to him that is of power to establish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
1Co 4:1 Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.
2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
Col 2:3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
2Co 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same veil untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which veil is done away in Christ.
Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Joh 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
Act 3:17 And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.
It is truly amazing that a God of truth would be so diligent to hide so much He wants His people to understand, but obviously He does.
Paul's entire life was a ministry based in taking the OT scriptures, which none of the rulers of past ages had seen truth in, and to reveal the mysteries that were there all the time...staring them in the face, but which they couldn't see.
I love what Jesus says in John 5:
Joh 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
Joh 5:39 Search the Scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
Jesus was there, all the time, in living color, in their OT scriptures, and they completely missed him. I suppose it shouldn't surprise me if Pharisees such as myself and the many professional ministers I've ministered with, worldwide, missed many things around this theme too. Only God can deliver us, and these last 7 years have been all about deliverance from error, and entering the light as it is in Christ.
Thank you for pressing these issues with me. It is sinking in.
Tom
Tom:
Gena,
Yes, I do feel welcome and received...overwhelmingly so!
Diana,
I have made it one of my life emphases to study and teach the book of Romans, and I admit that so many confusing pieces of the Romans puzzle seem far more resolved from a UR perspective. Thanks for your input there.
Whew...you guys know how to pile on the food. I feel like a kid with an unlimited meal ticket in a buffet restaurant...ha, ha!
Tom
Tom:
To be honest with you guys...I'm beginning to feel a bit selfish here. I've taken a great deal of your time, and I've been blessed beyond measure.
If you would like to let this thread rest I won't be offended.
My heart is stirred to the core, and I'm truly confident God will see me through to the conclusion of this matter.
I feel your prayers and your love, and I'm humbled beyond words.
God bless each of you!
Tom
skydreamers:
Hey Tom,
I hope we haven't overwhelmed you...It's almost like we pounced on you non-stop eh? (okay, yes I am Canadian... ;D) I can tell you are such a gentlemen, politely and graciously responding to everybody ;) ;)
We are so happy to have you here, and keep in mind all of us are continually learning from each other and edifying each other, as the body, no matter what questions are asked and who is asking them! We are all blessed by the process...
Do take time to absorb and meditate, if that is what you need regarding this issue. In the meantime, I look forward to learning from you, from your vast experience and insight into the scriptures.
By the way, your post in response to Janice was very inspiring...it's a keeper! You deserve some smilies too...
I think I'm going to get out the paper like Gena and print out this thread. Lots of food alright!
Peace and blessings to you,
Diana
bobf:
--- Quote from: Tom on June 26, 2007, 11:55:59 AM ---I don't know why the greater part of christendom feels it must read into eonian an endless torment. It mystifies me. It's as if they have an emotional need to see it this way. Much like men who can't stand the thought of women teaching them anything in Christ. They read Paul's words through chauvinistic eyes, and see red when a woman of God tries to teach them anything. Nonsense!
--- End quote ---
A couple of verses came to mind when I read what you wrote above.
Psalms 18:26 With the pure thou wilt shew thyself pure; and with the froward thou wilt shew thyself froward. KJV
Interesting the ESV has it "with the purified you show yurself pure; and with the crooked you make yourself seem tortuous."
Luke 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? 55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. 56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.
The disciples were not beyond seeing God through froward (twisted) hearts. None of us are. All of us have at one time or another felt superior and looking-down-our-noses enough to relish the idea of God raining fire down from heaven to devour our enemies, as if we are some how better than they are for seeing what we see. But we know Paul said we are NOT better than they are. All eye-opening is done by Jesus Christ who came to blind those who [think they] see, and to give sight to the [ones who see they are] blind.
The people who are gleeful about the idea of eternal torture in fire from God, do not know "what manner of spirit they are".
ps. No Tom! This is a GREAT thread and has blessed us all.
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