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mari_et_pere:
Hey Roy, sorry if my response was way off. I've been pretty tired from working to much! :)
I know where you're coming from. When I started this thread, I figured nobody would say much of anything that I haven't already thought a bazillion times, and I was right. I'd say we're all pretty much of one mind here, which is awesome. At the same time, I feel God doing a majorly strange work inside of me. When I get a grasp on it I'll be relieved just to not be in transition, whatever it is. ???
Bradigans, you quoted Ephesians 5:23. Funny. The other night that I spoke of and me and my wife had words about this stuff, she told me that I'm supposed to be the head, and said someday I'll have to step up to the plate and do it. I was close to responding in anger, but I squelched it. I said, "Maybe I already have been. You just don't know it yet!" I guess she's SO into church that she thinks I'm slacking as spiritual head of the family by not going.
Thanks for listening guys, not matter what happens.
Matt
ciy:
Roy
I agree with you. It is amazing how God does have everyone at different levels of the milk doctrines.
When they told Jesus, "Your family (mother, brothers) are outside wanting to see you." He said "No that is not my family. You who have ears to hear and eyes to see are my family (mother, brother)"
Like his disciples said in John chapter 6 "This is a hard teaching."
Ray has a great talk that being saved is the hardest thing anyone will ever do in this age.
God's plan is perfect.
CIY
TimothyVI:
I disagree with much of what is taught in the orthadox church today.
But God uses the church as the schoolmaster, to bring people to
the knowledge of Christ. Even though it is God who drags people to Christ, I don't personally know anyone that has come to Christ
without the help and encouragement of the church .
Most of the people that I know from the church that I attend are very good people.
Unfortunately, most of them have not a clue, as Ray might say.
I seldom try to change their thinking but I pass along some of Ray's teaching as the time seems right.
But they are nevertheless believers in Christ, and work to spread that knowledge.
So I believe that God has a very specific and important purpose for the church as we know it today.
I don't think that God is unhappy with the church.
You may find that your children and wife may be more apt to listen to your differing opinions if you actually attend church
with them, than if you did not.
Just my humble opinion on the issue.
Good luck and may God bless you and your family.
Tim
fe32k:
--- Quote from: TimothyVI on June 29, 2007, 12:45:09 PM ---So I believe that God has a very specific and important purpose for the church as we know it today.
I don't think that God is unhappy with the church.
You may find that your children and wife may be more apt to listen to your differing opinions if you actually attend church
with them, than if you did not.
--- End quote ---
Hey Timothy,
God had "a very specific and important purpose" for Hitler, so what is your point? I don't imagine people volunteering to enter a concentration camp.
They [the church] will be more apt to try and absorb him into their system no matter how much he resists. This will bring more issues than solutions. My family and friends have "accepted" my position on scripture even if they don't believe it. After a while, Matt's family will be better off adhering to what they believe and they will start to respect each others opinions rather than try to make each other feel better with counterfeit acts of gratification.
God be with you,
Roy
p.s. Matt, would your wife Join this forum for your sake?
SeeksAllTruth:
Brother Matt,
I have only recently been called out of babylon and still consider myself a 'babe'. I share the same challenges as you. My wife takes the girls to the harlot every Sunday. My wife often asks if I would consider going with them mainly I think to passify. I am realting to your dilema. I often think perhaps I should go with them for the sake of reaching out and sharing the true gospel. But for me, I'm not willing to budge. Maybe I'm too 'black & white'. My yes are yes and my no's are no's. I know you to be a great man of God and for God. Please seek the Lord and His will in this decision you are having to face. If you are like me, you get 'lonely' socially. Maybe you don't, I know I do. I haven't found anyone that seems at all interested in seeking truth in my circle of friends at work or around home. Perhaps the price I'm paying ? I will pray that you follow the Lords will for your life in this for this time. I trust you are seeking Him for the answer. You have gotten such a loving response from the others posting here. All have great reply's to you.
In The Love Of Jesus,
Bruce
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