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hillsbororiver:

--- Quote from: musicman on June 29, 2007, 12:16:57 AM ---
By the way, why is there a law in the O.T. that states that if a bull gorges a person, that bull must be stoned to death?  I can't remember the scripture.  But I was wondering how a dumb animal can be held accountable for a man's screw up.  I'm sure I read it correctly.  Today, you would just shoot the beast and put it out of it's misery.  Actually, when I saw the post, I was thinking this was the subject.  Does anybody else recall that most mysterious command of God?
  

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Hi musicman,

Yes, it is in Exodus 21. I had the whole chapter in another thread.

 http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4780.0.html

Here are the verses you are referring to,

Exo 21:28 If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned, and his flesh shall not be eaten; but the owner of the ox shall be quit.

Exo 21:29 But if the ox were wont to push with his horn in time past, and it hath been testified to his owner, and he hath not kept him in, but that he hath killed a man or a woman; the ox shall be stoned, and his owner also shall be put to death.

You can see that the ox is not destroyed unless someone is killed, but woe to the owner if his ox pokes someone, is told about it and later his ox gores a person to death....

His Peace to you,

Joe

Chris R:
Hi folks,

I'm going to say a few words, then allow a few responces and then, lets move on.

The topic is reasonable enough, but is hypothetical at best. We endear ourselves to animals like pets, because in some ways they take on human traits, they remind us of ourselves, but what are they thinking?..I haven't a clue. "All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds."[1Cor 15:39]

But this subject can also turn into a debate, but to what end? All we will have a the end of this thread, is the same questions that we had at the beginning of the thread.

Peace

Chris R

sansmile:
Hi Chris,
I agree but just felt pulled to respond to part of the post by musicman, which was:


The world and universe was not created in six literal days.  The word yom could mean a long period of time.  So it doesn't violate scripture by saying, In the beginning (bang), God created the heaven and the earth

I think all of us could "assume" we know the things of God, but what puzzles me with the unliteral 7day theory is that (as someone once already has pointed out in another thread) Adam was created on the 6th day and he lived until he was 930yrs.

Gen 5:5)  And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

Now, the way i see it is, if Adam was created on the 6th day and he reached 930yrs, then the 7th day couldnt have been for 1000yrs, otherwise Adam would have been 1930 yrs old???

Sorry for diversing!
God Bless
Sandie

mari_et_pere:
Please don't call PETA on me or throw fake animal blood on my house or family, or send me death threats in defense of the poor defenseless (also sometimes killer) animals, but:

I realize why people like animals so much. They're a fascinating, sometimes beautiful, part of God's creation. God's creation is God's creation and He'll do what He pleases with His creation to fulfill His purpose. If that causes animals to die or get hurt then so be it. It is just an animal.

Plants are alive. Should we form a PETP for plants? That'd be stupid? Sorry but God put them all on this planet for what? For US. I don't serve animals, they serve me. We can learn a lot from them and find pleasure in them, and that's about it. We can't talk with them like Dr. Doolittle, they can't interact with us very much unless to tell us they're hungry or want their backs scratched (no man bashing jokes needed here ladies  ;D) so basically what are they for? To me they proclaim God's majesty as part of His amazing creation. (no matter how He did it or How long He took to do it.)

Sorry if I've offended.

Matt

YellowStone:
Hi Matt,

As usual you have triggered a thought that needs to be explored! :)

We all know how Christ expounded on al the importance of being meek and lowly of heart.

Mat 5:5 Blessed [are] the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. 
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 

Take up our yoke? What does this really mean? We can really put this into perspective when we give thought to the many oxen, donkeys and mules that bare incredible loads under the most adverse conditions, yet continue on, one step after another, without nary a sound. Who then are we to complain?

And how God gave us all of his creation to study and learn from:

Rom 1:20  For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

How many of our pets could be considered meek and mid. How many of the same put all of their trust in us, their keeper. Are not the trusting traits of animals, who were once wild and free an excellent example for us all. For our God and Father is our Keeper. Do we trust Him the same?

Psa 121:5 The LORD [is] thy keeper: the LORD [is] thy shade upon thy right hand.  

Matt, you are right. Animals serve man in the same way we are to serve God. :)

Great thead everyone.

Love, Darren

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