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Proverbs 3:9-10/Firstfruits/Tithing

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hillsbororiver:
You are welcome Gena!

I was wondering if any of these tithing old time gospel type churches stone to death adulterers, if not why not?

Just wondering why some Old Covenant laws are in place and not others, why in fact do they not keep the 7th Day (Saturday) as their Sabbath with all the restrictions on labor and beginning on Friday night until sundown on Saturday.

Inconsistancies galore!

The real irony is that money was never tithed in the Temple!

Babylon is confusion.

Joe

hillsbororiver:
Hi Diana,

Expanding on a point you made here is more refutation of this "firstfruits" heresy.

Leviticus 27:30-33, "And all the TITHE of the LAND, whether of the SEED of the land, or of the FRUIT, of the tree, is the Lord’s: it is holy unto the Lord. And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof. And concerning the TITHE of the HERD, or of the FLOCK, even of whatsoever passes under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the Lord. He shall not search whether it be good or bad, neither shall he change it..."

We learn a great deal about tithing in this section of Scripture:

The tithe comes from the "land," not the air or the sea. Fishermen were not required to tithe fish.
It was the "seed" or agricultural products from the fields that was holy to God and tithable.
Products from "trees" were to be tithed. This not only included the fruit, but oils, etc.
Of "herds or flocks" it was the "tenth" that passed under the rod that was holy and dedicated to God.
Here is exposed another lie of modern clergymen. It was not the first tenth, but rather the tenth tenth that belonged to God, contrary to every minister I have ever heard, who insists that the first tenth always belongs to God. Unscriptural. Untrue. Read your bible--it’s the tenth one of a herd that belongs to God.

Another interesting point is this. If a herdsman had but nine cattle, he didn’t tithe his cattle at all! Also notice that God did not even require the best of the cattle, just the tenth one to pass under the rod even if it was the runtiest of them all. Remember, we are talking about tithing and not sacrificing (animals for sacrifice always had to be without blemish).

Joe

hillsbororiver:
I checked the Hebrew in Proverbs 3:9 and found something you may find interesting;

Pro 3:9  Honor the LORD with thy substance and with the firstfruits4480, of all thine increase:

 H4480
מנּי    מנּי    מן
min  minnîy  minnêy
min, min-nee', min-nay'
For H4482; properly a part of; hence (prepositionally), from or out of in many senses: - above, after, among, at, because of, by (reason of), from (among), in, X neither, X nor, (out) of, over, since, X then, through, X whether, with.

In other OT references to firstfruits we have a closer match from the Hebrew to English translation, possibly a little translater rendering of this word to fit an ideology?

H1061
בּכּוּר
bikkûr
bik-koor'
From H1069; the first fruits of the crop: - first fruit (-ripe [figuratively), hasty fruit.


H7225
ראשׁית
rê'shîyth
ray-sheeth'
From the same as H7218; the first, in place, time, order or rank (specifically a firstfruit): - beginning, chief (-est), first (-fruits, part, time), principal thing.

Also there is no mention of tithe, tithing or tithes in this Chapter of Proverbs or in the entire Book of Proverbs, I found this to be very interesting.

His Peace to you,

Joe

excellenttrader:
Excellent input.  Lots of details for me to study over already.  I really appreciate it.  After just having read Ray's tithing paper before this bible study and rereading it again after this Bible study I was confident that Tim was wrong about trying to use it to validate tithing with this passage.  Since he just made an immediate connection, and didn't elaborate or use any other verses along with it, I figured maybe there was more to the word firstfruits than I knew about or could find in Ray's paper.  I was thinking maybe other denominations of the church, besides the ones I've attended over the years, used/believed the two words to be essentially the same thing...or there was some other church belief I wasn't aware of.

You guys are so right about the inconsistencies and the contradictions in the church.  A part of how God pulled me out of the church was by Him starting to show me some of these inconsistencies...and then getting lame answers when I asked others in the church, that I respected at the time, as being "Strong in the Word."  LOL, or not:)

I'm definitely not looking for a debate, with Tim or my mother or anyone else.  I'm simply looking to learn and gain understanding.

Thanks again,
Mike

Falconn003:
excellenttrader

Good gor you , on your understanding.

Thank our Father for your enlightenment, as you grow more in Spirit.

Rodger

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