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Loving your enemy.
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: YellowStone on July 03, 2007, 09:21:55 PM ---
--- Quote from: Craig on July 03, 2007, 10:34:21 AM ---
--- Quote ---I think if a person is brought to Christ and begins to have Christ living in him/her- then and only then will he/ she change from ungodliness to being Christlike. It is a process but there is no other way. Any other change is at a superficial level.
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Bravo, Snack you nailed that.
Remember Christ said live by the sword and die by the sword.
You can never forcefully change anyones opinion by beating it into them. Or threatening them (hell), they are just the same old filthy rags. On the outside they may agree with you and want to be "one of the guys" but inside they are the same ole beast.
Craig
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Craig, perhaps I am slow and if I have read your post wrong, then please forgive me.
People who live in glass houese should never throw stones. Oh it is so easy condemning our leaders and military for "killing" our enemies, while we live in a nation that has only ever had one serious attack on the main land in it's history. (forgive me if I am wrong, I have only been a citizen for 2 years) Is not the peace, saftey and the right to even converse online in this forum a direct result of the many decisions and sacrifices made by many commanders and countless young men and women who gave their life for the freedom we enjoy.
Yet there is more to this than simply letting others do our fighting for us, for are we not instructed to be in subjection to our earthly rulers whom are there and ordained by God himself. Who is one denying, if one refuses to serve in the millitary for "scriptual" reasons.
Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Rom 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
Rom 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to [execute] wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Rom 13:5 Wherefore [ye] must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake
Well this is how I see it. :)
Love in Christ,
Darren
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If you serve in war, and kill, you are denying God. If you refuse to serve in war because of the Word of God, and are thrown into jail, then you are bieng persecuted for righteousness sake, and you have nothing to fear.
Render to God, what is His, and to ceaser, his.
Follow the law, but if the law of our nation, the law of men contradicts that of God's law, then you know whose kingdom you are apart of.
Acts 5:29 "Peter and the other apostles replied: "We must obey God rather than men!"
We must obey God, rather then men my brothers and sisters.
Love to you all,
Alex
YellowStone:
Alex I agree.
We must always obey God before men
Rom 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
So if we don't fight as commanded, who are we disobeying? Men or God?
Yours In Christ,
Darren
GODSown1:
Alex! Amen brother,
Thanks dude Very up lifting! right wen I needed it, Thank YOU FATHER.
muchLOVE!! Pera
Sorin:
--- Quote from: mrsnacks ---Mr Snacks . You rest your case ? Is it that simple ?
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Me resting my case was in the context of Christians not being true followers of Christ.
--- Quote from: mrsnacks ---Aren't there some wars justified and others not ?
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I think in the OT there were some that were justified, but not under the New Covenant.
--- Quote from: bleak ---If the US were attacked ( I am not talking about 9-11) you would oppose the US to retaliate ?
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The US is being attacked, as is the rest of the non-Muslim world. Would I oppose the US, or the rest of the world to retaliate? Of course not, then again I never claimed to be a "true follower of Christ" and I've even said before that I don't "love my enemies". But my point was, those who are "true followers of Christ" have to (love their enemies).
I think my problem is, I have all this knowledge, and I see things that Christians can not. Yet, I am still a sinning machine. But, I'd rather be a sinning machine than a hypocrite.
bobf:
We should submit ourselves to the ruling authorities so long as they do not command us to break Christ's commandments. Christ commanded me to resist not evil. So if they command me to fight evil with guns, bombs, killing etc.... Disobeying them is obeying God.
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