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Interesting point about Judas on Eternal Hell
lq1over:
Alex,
good post, i will have to use that sometime.
I think about Jesus bearing the sin of Adam and the sins of all mankind for our sakes. What is interesting to me is that while Jesus bore all the sins of the world (HE WAS LOOKED UPON AS SIN BUT HE KNEW NO SIN) many churchians do realise that Jesus is not burning in HELL, but (as many say, that is the penalty for sin "burning in Hell" if He was made sin for us then shouldn't He have to pay the penalty for sin) but he died just as God The Father said, (that the penalty for sin is "death".)
Praise God for the death and resurrection of His SON JESUS,WE HAVE THE HOPE OF AGE-ABIDING LIFE (LIFE WITHOUT DEATH)
lq1over
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: lq1over on July 11, 2007, 09:42:18 PM ---Alex,
good post, i will have to use that sometime.
I think about Jesus bearing the sin of Adam and the sins of all mankind for our sakes. What is interesting to me is that while Jesus bore all the sins of the world (HE WAS LOOKED UPON AS SIN BUT HE KNEW NO SIN) many churchians do realise that Jesus is not burning in HELL, but (as many say, that is the penalty for sin "burning in Hell" if He was made sin for us then shouldn't He have to pay the penalty for sin) but he died just as God The Father said, (that the penalty for sin is "death".)
Praise God for the death and resurrection of His SON JESUS,WE HAVE THE HOPE OF AGE-ABIDING LIFE (LIFE WITHOUT DEATH)
lq1over
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Lq1over, i believe that ray talks about this very issue, that Christ wasn't made SIN, but rather a SIN OFFERING;
Atleast thats what i thought ray said on the issue, feel free anyone to correct me if i'm wrong.
Otherwise, ty for your thoughts they are much appreciated.
Love in Christ,
Alex
musicman:
--- Quote from: lq1over on July 11, 2007, 09:42:18 PM ---Alex,
good post, i will have to use that sometime.
I think about Jesus bearing the sin of Adam and the sins of all mankind for our sakes. What is interesting to me is that while Jesus bore all the sins of the world (HE WAS LOOKED UPON AS SIN BUT HE KNEW NO SIN) many churchians do realise that Jesus is not burning in HELL, but (as many say, that is the penalty for sin "burning in Hell" if He was made sin for us then shouldn't He have to pay the penalty for sin) but he died just as God The Father said, (that the penalty for sin is "death".)
Praise God for the death and resurrection of His SON JESUS,WE HAVE THE HOPE OF AGE-ABIDING LIFE (LIFE WITHOUT DEATH)
lq1over
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Christ was not made sin. He was made a sin offering. None of the burned offerings in the OT were refered to as sin. They were sin offerings. Sin offering is a mistranslation.
Kat:
Hi Alex,
You have it right. Christ was a sin offering.
Here is an email on this.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4163.0.html -----
Dear Mike:
NO, "He treated Him who knew not sin as a sinner…..." is a horrible translation. God never treated His Son "AS IF" He were a sinner, seeing that He NEVER DID SIN! "Sin OFFERING" is the proper translation, not based on the singular word "sin" from which it is taken, but based on the KNOWLEDGE OF HOWS LANGUAGE IS USED. We have a plethora of proof from the Old Testament that "sin" MUST be translated "sin OFFERING," in many Scriptures, and that is why it was translated "sin offering" in many Scriptures. But in II Cor. 5:20, the Translators dropped the ball and did not do what they surely knew was the proper way to translate it, but since they were working with Greek rather than Hebrew, they let it slide.
I have about 30 pages of notes on this subject and I will turn it into a full article in the near future, so look for it. There are many, many, Scriptural proofs against the damnable heresy that Jesus Himself was the personification of sin and that His Father was displeased with Him, and that He was marred in His Fathers hands, and had to be crushed and ground to powder all the days of His life, and that God thus poured out His anger, indignation and wrath against His Son, and that Jesus' blood was no different and no better than ours. I will blow this damnable teaching right out of the sky!
God be with you,
Ray
seminole:
God loved His son Jesus. He wasn't raining down anger , punishment or hate. Jesus died as a sin offering for us. I accept His sacrifice for me and am forever grateful. Does anyone know the progression of the sin offering to the time of Jesus? Firstruits went to not so great offerings. Jesus was sinless but took that on for me, for us. While Jesus was on the cross He did cry out " My God why have you forsaken me". He prayed before that in the garden that " if it is possible take this cup from me" to God the Father. He also said not my will but yours be done. He loved us that much and God the Father loves us too.
Jesus called the disciples but they were not forced to come with Him anymore than we are forced. The Bible speaks of the gift of salvation and forgiveness through Jesus. If I give you a birthday present you can sit the gift aside and never get the good of it until you open it. It is your choice. The gift is yours but if you don't open it it is no good to you.
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