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A question derived from one of ray's papers.
YellowStone:
Hi Janice :)
Thank you for your kind words, and perhaps I am looking at this the wrong way; however, maybe I can present my understanding a little differently. Let us for example, imagine a class of young children; some bright, some rich, some healthy and lot's just plain average and sickly. Now imagine that the teacher for no apparent reason, picks out 5% (just a number) and gives them special treatment, tutition and attention. Perhaps the teacher provides these "special" pupils after hours tution as well.
But there is nothing special about these children, some are bright, some are poor and some are sickly; goodness knows that the other children are clueless as to why "some" are receiving special treatment, while they themselves are not.
Now let us consider how the children would feel if the teacher started calling the remainder of the class as: fools, hypocrittess and a joke. Oh sure, some may gleefully agree, and voice the same, lauding their good fortune over those whom they themselves were just a few days, weeks or months were right with them.
Yet others, would see well that they have no reason to boast, knowing well that it was nothing that they did or can give that has earned their special treatment. They know that if not for thier being picked out, they would be right where the others are now. Do they think the others as jokes, or idiots? Heck no and neither do they think it is funny; why would they? Did the teacher do it for "their" amusment?
Perhaps the teacher finds immense amusement from his/her actions, but were these actions for the amusement of the few?
Luk 12:32 “Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom.
* The word "pleased" is key here: Pleased - eudokeō [G2106]
1) it seems good to one, is one's good pleasure
a) think it good, choose, determine, decide
b) to do willingly
c) to be ready to, to prefer, choose rather
2) to be well pleased with, take pleasure in, to be favourably inclined towards one
Luk 12:33 Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will not be exhausted, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys.
* Are we not to give what little we have to those who are poor in Spirit? Are not the purses that we make for ourselves that will not wear out, the same purses that contain the fruits of the spirit: love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance (Gal 5:22,23)
Luke 12:34 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
I firmly believe that the good fortune given to the children is for their benefit and growth. Which of the children would you think are being most responsible regarding the "gift" of good fortune giving them: those scoffing out those less fortunate, or those who are in any way they can, sharing the things they ahve learned with the others so that they too can have some hope of getting good grades too.
Are these not the same Spirit driven principles expected of us?
Thanks Janice, I hope this helps you see where I am coming from. :)
If anyone has any comments on this, please share them.
Love n Christ,
Darren
Kat:
Hi Janice,
--- Quote ---NO, there are no creatures/entities/ghosts/spirits/familiars, etc., WHATEVER LABEL we can give them. It IS ALL THE SPIRIT OF EVIL GIVEN BY GOD to Satan as His tool, or...
--- End quote ---
Ray believes there are demons and mentions them numerous times. Here's a few emails from Ray.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2540.0.html -------
Dear Michelle:
The only spirits "roaming around" are demons, not the spirits of DEAD people.
God be with you,
Ray
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2600.0.html ----
Dear Brenda:
ALL of God's created celestial beings are "messengers." Angel means messenger. From that Perspective, Jesus is a Messenger (Mal. 3:1-2). If these messengers are bad, we might refer to them as devils, demons, OR adversaries, but they are STILL MESSENGERS.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,1910.0.html -------
Dear Chris:
There have been probably 5 to 10 thousand volumes written on demons and exorcism. It is not likely that I can explain this subject in five to ten sentences.
There is "possession" and there is "obsession." Many people are obsessed with demons and evil spirits rather than being actually possessed and totally out of control mentally.
Catholic exorcism is more superstition than Scriptural. Protestant ministers try to shout and SCREAM them out of people. I had only a few personal experiences with people who were demonized. With one elderly woman we prayed and one by one Jesus casted out a half dozen or so demons--each with his own name, I might add.
The truth is that we "wrestle against such spiritual wickedness in high places" (Eph. 6:12). It is part of our Christian walk of faith.
The world is filled with "spirits of antichrist." Many Christians worship these spirits. I cast out dozens and dozens of these spirits of antichrist on our bible-truth.com site, and many pastors, theologians, and Christians hate and despise me for doing it. They love these evil spirits. But always remember, that if you have the Spirit of God in you, then:
"Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is He that is in you, than he that is in the world" (I John 4:3-4).
God be with you,
Ray
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Janice
Here is the paragraph you say totally threw you : Janice, the "splinter in the flesh" was a creature not physical problems and that creature was a messenger of Satan that struck Paul "in blows inordinately." 2 Cor 11:23 That is not to say that Paul's TRIALS and physical disabilities were not sent to humble him but the creature messenger was sent to keep him grounded, balanced and for this God sent him to buffet Paul "inordinately.
I can presume the above paragraph that threw you could throw others too if they have not familiarised themselves with the teaching that expounds this truth. : http://bible-truths.com/splinter.html If you can not accept/agree/understand the revelations in this clear, concise teaching then I expect you have quite a roller coaster ride ahead of you yet. If confronted for example how will you ever explain Luke 8:30 And Jesus asked him, saying What is your name? And he said, Legion: because MANY DEVILS WERE ENTERED INTO HIM.
If the teachings on the link provided click as true for you then you may see why I posted that paragraph that threw you because it is the summation of the gentle yet profound wisdom's shown through Rays teaching on this subject.
This teaching plus the edifying responces posted by Kat from Ray should convince you to change your views God willing. :) Then perhaps you can reflect this wisdom to others who also get thrown.
The false teachings out of Babylon have been around for more than 2000 years and because many have learnt errors from Babylon for so long or simply due to a preference for the comforts of familiar deception they go against the truths of God and those who have come out of Her because the unfamiliar truth exposes Babylonian deceptions and lies.
I think all of us who have been ushered by the Spirit of God to come to know the truth can verify by personal testimony, that the path to Truth hurts. It requires repentance and separation from what is familiar and it involves pain, disappointment and discovery that illusion is a powerful aphrodisiac for the flesh and carnality of man. Non are exempt. Some get to know and experience the intimacy of Christ, and to stand before Him just as we are....naked. Others will kill not to go through such vulnerability and they will hang on to idols to hide behind or cover themselves from knowing they are wretched, miserable, poor, blind and naked. Rev 3:17
If you have no clue what I am saying, just think....some one in Cyber Space might get it and it might have meaning for them. :)
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
seminole:
I don't understand much of this. If it is a true , creature, what was the creature?
Deborah-Leigh:
The answer is in the transcript. Believe it or not! :D
Last time...here is the link...http://bible-truths.com/splinter.html
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