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How'd THEY do it??
Redbird:
The word scholar appears twice in the KJV bible;
1 CH 25:8 And they cast lots, ward against ward, as well the small as the great, the teacher as the scholar.
MAL 2: 11-12 Judah hath dealt treacherously, and an abomination is committed in Israel and in Jerusalem; for Judah hath profaned the holiness of the LORD which he loved, and hath married the daughter of a strange god. 12 The LORD will cut off the man that doeth this, the master and the scholar, out of the tabernacles of Jacob, and him that offereth an offering unto the LORD of hosts.
I think that is interesting and speaks for itself.
Peace to you, Lisa
Pax Vobiscum:
Was it Godfather III where Al Pacino said "Just when I thought I was out...."?
It seems a very popular endeavor here to quote Bible verses which pit the righteous against the learned. Of course, it is convenient to administer these verses from sources whose translations push the point we are trying to make. These sources were written by.... you guessed it... theologians who went to school and were taught by all manner of people to attain the knowledge, skills and abilities to give you the wherewithal to attack... theologians!
Beloved, please hear that your statements merely remind me of so many instances where contributors disdain academics (medicine, science, and particularly those poor misguided theologians!) and is not meant to slight you in the least.
My point is this: Unless God Almighty speaks directly to us OR we are so well trained in the classics that we can read primary source material, THEN we are all beholden to the translative and interpretive abilities of theologians and linguists we have never met!
I will continue and encourage others to read everything from Plato and Camus to Ray Smith, Charles Spurgeon, A. W Pink, Billy Graham, Karen Armstrong and even that rascal Bart Ehrman! You know the bumper sticker about thanking teachers? Perhaps believers need a sticker that says, "If you can read your Bible in your native language, thank a theologian!" I cannot think of a decent Biblical reference which is opposed to knowledge -- there are plenty that deal with the misuse of, or misperception of, or narow, legalistic adherence to knowledge. Challenging the status quo is a Christ-like endeavor!
Now, for those spiritually arrogant whose "truths" have been delivered directly from the Spirit of the Living God, please shut me up (shut me down?) by showing how you came to your conclusions without the benefit of the "carnal" endeavors of others!
I thought so.
Peace
Deborah-Leigh:
Pax
Eph 5:13 ...all...ALL THINGS that are reproved are made manifest by the LIGHT ( by the WHAT? LIGHT not carnal flesh...LIGHT!) for whatsoever does make manifest is LIGHT....(Light...LIGHT not scholarship or the wisdom of the worldly....BUT LIGHT...Who is the Father of LIGHTS Pax....twice stated in ONE SENTENCE...LIGHT. Who is the Father Pax? Flesh...your worldly wise fools? I think God means what He said and said what He means!)
You say Pax : please shut me up (shut me down?) by showing how you came to your conclusions without the benefit of the "carnal" endeavors of others!
You asked so nicely! :D ;D
Arcturus :)
seminole:
Pax you make a good point. It may not be and probably won't be appreciated on the forum but I for one think you have a good handle on it. Especially for me who reads no Greek or Hebrew at all.
Nole
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Pax Vobiscum on July 23, 2007, 07:58:26 AM ---
It seems a very popular endeavor here to quote Bible verses which pit the righteous against the learned. Of course, it is convenient to administer these verses from sources whose translations push the point we are trying to make. These sources were written by.... you guessed it... theologians who went to school and were taught by all manner of people to attain the knowledge, skills and abilities to give you the wherewithal to attack... theologians!
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1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
Pax, you definitely have some unique thoughts and observations, you make remarks that minimize the quotation of scripture by the brethren but make pains to defend even exult the work of men who (through God's direction) helped make the scriptures available to the common man.
I do not only appreciate the time and effort of the scribes but also the time and effort of the laborers who cut down the trees to make the pulp which became the paper these Words were written on, the printers who made it a priority to produce bibles, the distributors who in some cases risked their life in getting this book into the hands of the very people the intellectuals such as the Popes, Lenin, Mao, etc. thought them better off without.
I am thankful for the technology that allows us to check, verify and search His Word at the touch of a keyboard.
Most of all I thank the Lord for making His plan and purpose for His creation known to us and for directing the steps of all those He chose to carry it forward.
--- Quote from: Pax Vobiscum on July 23, 2007, 07:58:26 AM ---
Beloved, please hear that your statements merely remind me of so many instances where contributors disdain academics (medicine, science, and particularly those poor misguided theologians!) and is not meant to slight you in the least.
--- End quote ---
I am quite sure Beloved can empathize with your (no intention of slight of course) being reminded of us contributors who disdain any hint of knowledge since she is a Medical Doctor who I am sure has had the experience of her educated and wise council being ignored or rejected by patients....
--- Quote from: Pax Vobiscum on July 23, 2007, 07:58:26 AM ---
Now, for those spiritually arrogant whose "truths" have been delivered directly from the Spirit of the Living God, please shut me up (shut me down?) by showing how you came to your conclusions without the benefit of the "carnal" endeavors of others!
I thought so.
Peace
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Arrogant.... that word seems to fit here, let's see what scripture has to say about this attribute of the carnal mind;
1Sa 2:3 Talk no more so exceeding proudly; let not arrogance come out of your mouth: for the LORD is a God of knowledge, and by him actions are weighed.
Pro 8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogance, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
Jer 48:29 We have heard the pride of Moab, (he is exceeding proud) his loftiness, and his arrogance, and his pride, and the haughtiness of his heart.
Let us pray for discernment in all things (1Kings 3:11),
Joe
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