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Brett:
Hello!

I read in post of "Sinner Prayer" and Kat found Ray's respond to email. I am wondering if God's elect then must have zero lust mentally? I mean lust has to be disappeared? Like removed sin and sin is gone for good? I don't mean sound argue question, I have struggle of my lust problem and I do not know how to removed it. I feel like we have to work to overcome our lust flesh, not God's work or little? See Ray's respond of email:

"Repentance means to turn from what you are doing (sinning) and from what you are (a sinner) and start living a godly life of overcoming the lusts of the flesh and the pride of life. Only God can grant such repentance (Rom. 2:4)." (bolds are mine)

In Romans 2:4 said about God lead you to repent. So, is that mean God lead us to repent and our work is to overcome lust?? I am not talking about lust with flesh things to carry out or look dirty pictures, but in lust mentally without act it.

I know I already have post discuss about lust few weeks ago, it was good. But feel downy when I read Ray's response. I want to email him more about it, I did once but do not want to annoyed him over the same subject.

Thanks.

Brett :-\

P.S. I hate to talk about lust. This is strongest struggle that I have for long time, even from spiritual blind to removed spiritual blind, yet have the same struggle over stupid lust.

Jackie Lee:
Being a woman,

I am kinda embarrassed to say this but God took my lust problems away in December 2003.
My lusts were what people that lust call normal, woman toward man but..
I was totally disgusted with myself it was revolting I hated my sin that bad.
I get kinda queasy just thinking about it.

 I begged God to help me and he did.
So my thoughts when you get to where you hate your sin that bad God is there to help.

hillsbororiver:
Hi Brett & Jackie Lee,

There is nothing new under the sun and we all experience or have experienced these things in varying degrees, sexual lust, material lust, lust for fame or recognition, lust for revenge, etc. Righteousness must be learned and the process takes time. The following is an answer Ray gave in regard to why our sinning does not stop the moment we see it for what it is;

Dear Jeff:

Unfortunately, there is not a magic bullet that will instantly clean us of all sin and bad habits. Even the physical analogies of this spiritual washing, purging, and cleaning of our carnality, indicate that time is required. It takes time to wash clothing, it takes time to purify gold and silver in a furnace, etc.

The penalty of sin issue can be settled in your heart and mind the instant you come to realize that Jesus PAID IN FULL the penalty for your sins and all the sin of the world. However, paying the penalty for sin does not instantly PURGE AND WASH US CLEAN OF SIN. The penalty is paid, but the condition lingers.

The more you SEE your sins and shortcomings, the more you will DESIRE to rid yourself of these things. We are crucified WITH CHRIST, yet we live, but the life we live is one of OVERCOMING THE SINS FOR WHICH WE AND CHRIST DIED FOR.

We have been HAND-PICKED by God to be in His kingdom. Now we must go through the training course that He has set before us.  Jesus said that He overcame THE WORLD. We too are to overcome THE WORLD. It's a HUGE task, that requires the power of SPIRIT to accomplish. 

Don't become discouraged in well-doing. You will triumph in Christ if you have His spirit working in you. God will even give you the DESIRE to want to do right and be right.

This life is a life of SPIRITUAL WARFARE. There will be many battles before the final victory. So we must endure and we must overcome. For those whom God has chosen, this will be accomplished!

God be with you,

Ray

Just the fact that you are concerned and thinking about this should indicate that He is spiritually drawing you to Him, through His purifying and consuming fire!

His Peace to you,

Joe

Brett:
Hey thanks Joe! :D

Now I see that it is not our work to overcoming but it's God's work in us to overcoming. Not like we lazy, but if God's work in us then I think we don't have time to be lazy and it made us feel very uncomfortable to lust or anything. Even we desire to get rid of it but we still doing it. When we doing it, the pain increase, yes it is pain when we are not completed clean all our sins because of bad habit in flesh. Fire purge is take a lot of time and it's painful!

I have question, do 'elect' people are completely overcome all of their sins before they died so they can enter into God's kingdom or reign with Jesus? See in 1 John 3:6, "No one who abides in Him (Jesus) keeps on sinning" and in Phil. 1:6, "that He (Jesus) who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ."; if no 'zero' sins before died will not enter into kingdom of God, am I right?


Brett :D

seminole:
God's grace is so much bigger than any of our sins. We all sin in some way or another but that grace and forgiveness covers us. When we see or even feel inside that we have sinned , of course I believe that is the eye opener and we are made aware and must stop. God will give us all the strength and courage to turn from whatever sin. It won't always be easy and we won't always be 100% successful. Courage to you!

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