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Psalms 51:5
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: enarchay on July 30, 2007, 01:22:08 PM ---
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on July 30, 2007, 01:55:41 AM ---
--- Quote from: Brett on July 29, 2007, 10:28:22 PM ---Hello,
Interesting, but I want to make sure I understand right. Is that verse mean you have sin since the first conceive in your mother's womb? This verse, to me, is like once conceive and that is include sin, because of the nature of flesh. I am not complain about this verse, no, I just want to understand right, that is all I need. See verse:
Psa 51:5
"Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and IN SIN DID MY MOTHER CONCEIVE ME (David)."
What you think? If you think I am wrong understand, please say it.
I am deaf person, I know I said that several times, but because deaf can misunderstand of any English sentence. Not just me, many deaf that way, too. Just reminding you :).
Thanks! :D
Brett
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I believe ray talks about this. I can't remember where but something about 'Death bieng passed onto all men' and NOT sin.
We inherited death from adam and eve, not sin. We are created subject to vanity [moral weakness].
I believe this verse had something to do with innacurate translation of some sort, i can't remember what was said about it. Perhaps someoen can dig this information up.
I could be wrong offcourse so feel free to correct me.
Love,
Alex
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I agree. I do not buy into the doctrine of "original sin." We sin on our own. It is the consequences of sin we inherited from Adam.
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But doesn't paul make it clear that we inherit DEATH, and NOT sin?
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and DEATH BY SIN; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned
It says death.. not sin..
Love,
Alex
enarchay:
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on July 30, 2007, 01:31:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: enarchay on July 30, 2007, 01:22:08 PM ---
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on July 30, 2007, 01:55:41 AM ---
--- Quote from: Brett on July 29, 2007, 10:28:22 PM ---Hello,
Interesting, but I want to make sure I understand right. Is that verse mean you have sin since the first conceive in your mother's womb? This verse, to me, is like once conceive and that is include sin, because of the nature of flesh. I am not complain about this verse, no, I just want to understand right, that is all I need. See verse:
Psa 51:5
"Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and IN SIN DID MY MOTHER CONCEIVE ME (David)."
What you think? If you think I am wrong understand, please say it.
I am deaf person, I know I said that several times, but because deaf can misunderstand of any English sentence. Not just me, many deaf that way, too. Just reminding you :).
Thanks! :D
Brett
--- End quote ---
I believe ray talks about this. I can't remember where but something about 'Death bieng passed onto all men' and NOT sin.
We inherited death from adam and eve, not sin. We are created subject to vanity [moral weakness].
I believe this verse had something to do with innacurate translation of some sort, i can't remember what was said about it. Perhaps someoen can dig this information up.
I could be wrong offcourse so feel free to correct me.
Love,
Alex
--- End quote ---
I agree. I do not buy into the doctrine of "original sin." We sin on our own. It is the consequences of sin we inherited from Adam.
--- End quote ---
But doesn't paul make it clear that we inherit DEATH, and NOT sin?
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and DEATH BY SIN; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned
It says death.. not sin..
Love,
Alex
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I never said I disagreed. Re-read my post.
Harryfeat:
Hey Brett,
(ASV) Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity; And in sin did my mother conceive me.
(CLV) Behold, I was with depravity when I was travailed in birth, And in sin when my mother conceived me."
(DRB) (51:7) For behold I was conceived in iniquities; and in sins did my mother conceive me.
(ESV) Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.
(KJVR) Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
(Rotherham) Lo! in iniquity, was I brought forth, And, in sin, did my mother conceive me.
I have listed several examples of bible translations for that verse. The CLV version differs from the rest in that it seems to say the opposite of the rest and what I believe.
I agree with Ray's teaching on the matter.....that we are not born with sin but the only propensity to do so.
I too once believed in original sin. Those Catholic nuns can be very persuasive when you are six ;D
be blessed
feat
enarchay:
--- Quote from: Harryfeat on July 30, 2007, 04:39:44 PM ---
Hey Brett,
(ASV) Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity; And in sin did my mother conceive me.
(CLV) Behold, I was with depravity when I was travailed in birth, And in sin when my mother conceived me."
(DRB) (51:7) For behold I was conceived in iniquities; and in sins did my mother conceive me.
(ESV) Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.
(KJVR) Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
(Rotherham) Lo! in iniquity, was I brought forth, And, in sin, did my mother conceive me.
I have listed several examples of bible translations for that verse. The CLV version differs from the rest in that it seems to say the opposite of the rest and what I believe.
I agree with Ray's teaching on the matter.....that we are not born with sin but the only propensity to do so.
I too once believed in original sin. Those Catholic nuns can be very persuasive when you are six ;D
be blessed
feat
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I would trust Rotherham over the CLV in this case.
Check: http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/psa51.pdf
Brett:
Great thread! Pretty deep study scriptures, does it? :) I like it.
Anyway, you know the word "marred"? Correct me if I'm wrong, marred mean imperfect?
Brett :)
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