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Spiritual healings
gmik:
Matt, that is what I think too.
Deborah-Leigh:
Who is the actual healer?
An accurate question Zvezda. :)
Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him THE FALSE PROPHET THAT WROUGHT MIRACLES BEFORE HIM, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshiped his image. These both were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.
"And no marvel [Gk: to wonder with ASTONISHMENT]; for Satan himself is transformed [Gk: meta schematizo, transfigure -- to change the outward form or appearance, to make GLORIOUS] into an ANGEL OF LIGHT" (II Cor. 11:14). Ref : http://bible-truths.com/lake2.html
All power is from heaven.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
Oblivion582:
--- Quote ---Oblivion582, sorry if my previous post came off a bit harsh. The bucket story is true though.
The movie Leap of Faith starring Steve Martin is pure fiction but shows more truth than you might imagine. Self-proclaimed faith healers do not heal, but God does -- if it is his will and plan. The same is true for elder's prayers, the healing will come to pass only if it is Gods will. Gods spirit is the anointing oil, and comes only as He sees fit to send His spirit to heal.
God lead my wife, my sick son, and I through many experiences with "healers", not to train us but to teach us. Sometimes the hard way.
SteveW
P.S. God did heal my son! But in His time, at His pace, not ours or anyone elses.
--- End quote ---
Hey its all good. If thats what happen, than I don't take it as too harsh. But yeah people don't "heal", God does. Even Kenneth E. Haggin knew that - one time he said he was running late for a healing service and there were ambulances everywhere and alot of pressure on him and while he was shaving he said "God, I didn't know there would be so many people out here" and he said he heard God say "You think you're gonna heal them?" and thats when he realized he was not the healer, but God is. Or something like that. I may not agree with some of Haggin, but I have learned from him. I believe that most people, or religions have SOME sort of truth within them. We were made in the image of God afterall.
josh:
Oblivion,
Were we made (past tense) in the image of God... or are we being made (present tense) into the image of God?
Here is how the text read in the original hebrews:
Genesis 1:27a
"and·he-is-creating Elohim » the·human in·image-of·him in·image-of Elohim he-created»·him"
If we (humanity as a whole) are presently made in the image of God... well then of all men I am most miserable.
Just some food for thought. God's Peace.
Josh
mari_et_pere:
--- Quote ---Ok, so God does still heal people, I just wonder if it does happen in church. If so, then who is the actual healer in those real cases that happened in church, since we know that the church is Satan’s dwelling place?
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While I agree that many churches are no place to find any type of learning, why all the harsh judgement calls? I'm no one to judge. I wonder why so many others here seem to be?
I'm pretty certain Satan didn't heal them Sunday. That's silly. You know something? I think it's sad that so many hear the word "church" and automatically think "Satan", "deceived", "lie", "thief", and a plethora of other words that might not fit every single church in the known universe. What would you do if you found the best church you've ever dreamed of? Would church be a good word again?
I'm not defending EVERY church for obviously some are truely Satanic, but are all evil? Before you say yes, are you basing your answer on personally checking out every single one of them, or jumping on the bandwagon of "church is Satan's playground?" Me thinks the latter, which is silly folly.
Matt
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