> General Discussions
What Do The Denominations Have Right?
rk12201960:
--- Quote from: seminole on August 08, 2007, 09:53:46 AM ---I forgot to add my last thought; it has been said that the church is like a club and I ask is that not the same as this is? You have to think like everyone else, post like everyone else and follow the teachings without question.
--- End quote ---
That was in the rules (like minded) Its not a trap but put out in front so this don't happen, anyway take care and salamat jalan. (good journey) ;D
I follow Gods teachings and make NO MISTAKE about it I had questions and check it out much like most members do so that statement is incorrect, sorry.
Randy
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: ez2u on August 06, 2007, 12:16:06 PM ---
I just wonder if we will look back on what we say here and think how elementary this was.
--- End quote ---
Hello again Peggy,
Absolutely! ;)
1Co 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
His Peace to you,
Joe
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: bambam on August 08, 2007, 01:29:35 AM ---What a great thread. It sure has got me thinking! I am still in a church. I don't know how to leave with my husband about to go into "full-time" ministry there as an associate pastor. I could walk out today if it were not for my husband. I admit I don't hate it there-the people are nice, and I even have some great friends, but I don't want to be there anymore! I think being there all the time is messing with my emotions. It's not messing with my mind, but I feel emotionally torn. More and more I see the sillyness (is that a word? :-) of church and all of it's "stuff". I sit there week after week thinking over and over, "What is this all for??" To them, and my husband, it is all the work of God.
We bought a new building a month ago and have been working on it as a church to get it looking sharp and nice-and it's all the "work of God", you know. I was thinking-even this is a lie, because God does not live in buildings made with hands!! But we have to have a nice building, you know, to see more kids and people saved.
In the meantime, no one is getting "saved". Ironic, isn't it?
Sometimes, I am ashamed to be there. There is alot of pride in this building and all the work going into it. I help because of my husband. I don't want to break his heart, yet. I know I will if I quit church.
I want to leave, but it's just not time.
I used to think that the church has some things right-basic things like God's love, all of us sinners in need of a Saviour, God's sovereignty, etc., etc. But there seems to always be a man-made doctrine to counteract each truth, like eternal torture, not all will be saved, man's free-will, etc., etc.
Just a great thread to turn the wheels in my mind-thanks!
Blessings,
Beth
--- End quote ---
Hi Beth,
That is certainly quite the dilemma you are struggling with presently, but please do not let it consume you, God will certainly drag you out in His time.
Does your husband ever ask you about the differences in your beliefs versus the church doctrines? Is he open to searching the Word together? I know there are sincere people within these buildings but there are many that are content with following old traditional doctrines that they just don't question. Remind him of the Bereans.... (Acts 17:11) Not content with just hearing the words of the apostles, but wanting to see chapter and verse. Working out their own salvation.... (Phillipians 2:12).
I know there are some here that are of the opinion that the majority of us just accept what Ray writes and that is that, but I know that in my own case and in the case of the majority here that if Ray would write his opinions/feelings without scriptural witnesses he would be on the receiving end of a bunch of pointed questions, real quick.
To me the answer at this time would be to support your husband as you witness to him in words and deeds, perhaps the Lord will be dragging you both at the same time, maybe your husband just does not know it yet! ;)
A sacred secret maybe?
Only He knows for sure.
His Peace to you,
Joe
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Extol on August 06, 2007, 09:54:54 AM ---Hi Joe,
John 6:35: Then Jesus declared, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty".
John 7:38: Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him.
I think that there is no real Truth in the Church:
For, lo, the Lord, Jehovah of Hosts, Is turning aside from Jerusalem [the Church], And from Judah, stay and staff, Every stay of bread, and every stay of water. Isaiah 3:1
All of the [spiritual] bread and water is taken from the Church. This Bread and Water is Christ, and Christ said I am the way and the TRUTH and the life. John 14:6
The righteous, however, shall have their fill of bread and water:
Isaiah 33:
14The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
15He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil;
16He shall dwell on high: his place of defence shall be the munitions of rocks: bread shall be given him; his waters shall be sure.
This is how I see these verses. I'm open to any correction if I'm incorrect...I'm still pretty new at seeing the "spiritual" in things, so I may be wrong. :)
--- End quote ---
Hi Extol,
It certainly is exciting to be seeing things in a spiritual light isn't it? I know it took a few reads on Bible Truths as the Spirit of Christ began to open my eyes before the bible began to open up (unseal?) to me.
I believe you hit it right on the money!
His Peace to you,
Joe
seminole:
Jesus came and died for our sins. That is so. Jesus taught that we should put no one or no thing above Him. Jesus taught that we should look at our own faults before putting someone else's faults on trial. Jesus said that He would go (the ascencion) but would send a comforter and that we should follow what He taught while on this earth. He said to the thief on the cross, "Today you will be with me in paradise". He taught a lot of things that some (not all ) churches teach today. So is everything great in a church? No! Are things great here? No! We do the best we can with God's help and guidance in our lives.
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[#] Next page
[*] Previous page
Go to full version