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Clean and Unclean Meat !!
SteveW:
Kat,
Good verses there. I would also like to point to the whole chapter 8 of 1 Co. Here too Paul makes it clear that it is more important to be mindful of others than it is to express your freedom to eat any food.
1Co 8:9 Don't cause problems for someone with a weak conscience, just because you have the right to eat anything.
I try apply the spiritual meaning of this chapter to many parts of my life, including keeping my mouth shut (most times) with Christain friends and family when they speak of things of God of which they have not a clue. It takes discernment I do not always have to know if God is leading one, that I can share some of the new truths we have learned. I see the whole of chapter 8 as a warning to be loving to unbelievers and Christians who are still toddlers.
Though it is clear we could eat any food without sin, but...
1Co 8:8 But food doesn't bring us any closer to God. We are no worse off if we don't eat, and we are no better off if we do.
I believe this 100%, but the keyword to me is FOOD. It appears to me that not everything labeled food in today's world really is. For instance, Coffeymate adds zinc oxide for color, and that is a chemical more commonly used in white paint pigment. Additives may be edible, yes, but that does not make them FOOD. Of course I am perhaps more sensitive to this because of a heath issue of mine.
Like Ray and many others here, I try to drink pure water and eat healthy foods. I am far from perfect and do indulge a little on occasion. Sue Ann, I don;t know what "Death by Chocolate CAKE" is but my wife brought home some ice cream called "moose tracks" for the kids. Under my wife's watchful eye, I took a chocolate chip the size of a business card out of my bowl and put it back in the carton. :)
Steve
ruckfogers:
I think that there is a difference between health laws and spiritual laws.
The fact that God told Noah that some things were clean and unclean was both a health law (things we shouldn't eat) and a spiritual law (there are things God approves of to be sacrificed).
When we are told that it doesn't matter what we eat it is speaking spiritually. We cannot make ourselves clean or unclean with what we eat or do, only Jesus' blood can cleanse us.
Think about it logically, if poison was put before you are all things pure?
Pork and lobster and crow are still bad for us (health-wise).
This "(Thus he declared all foods clean.)" is not in the KJV.
And Jesus was a Jew. When he traveled, he spoke to Jews. Paul took it to the gentiles. So everyone that Jesus talked to would already understand the laws of cleanliness so they would NEVER serve pork or anything of the like.
And think about it... if pork was healthy and good for us, would Jesus have casted daemons into them?
insanezenmistress:
And now, let me come at you from left feild entirely...........could "meats" have a symbolic meaning?....i am sure it does, and Ray has pointed it out several times. Physical mirrors the spiritaul............ in my study i have taken many places where meats are mentioned and think of them in terms of doctrines, and philosophies, truths and spiritaul undersandings.
now in that analogy,
Before there where clean and unclean meats......(the law and the torah where the clean truths and the truths of baal where the unclean truths).............(argh i can see how i am complicating left feild but try and bear with....).................
and after the reconciliation of christ......all truths are sanctified by christ.
Paul said we can eat meats offered to idols.......because we know there are no idols. that means for instance, say the teaching "do unto others as you would have them to unto you."
It is a meat. and it is taught in many religions and philosphies. it is truth no matter who says it. Truth(and the understanding of what is truth) comes from christ.............and the lie and the deception of truth comes form Evil... and evil seasons truths with lies.
BUT i am not saying that the way to christ is thru "meats offered to idols" and i am not saying we should stick around the idol's temples and suck up all their meats............like the jews did time and time again in their day.
I am saying that Christ can present truth any way he wants..meaning he has sanctified all meats.......to be received with joy.
For example say your struggleing with something and someone comes along and gives you a wisdom, say that wisdom comes form the Koran, but it hits you in the right spot. Should you deny that truth because it was a meat offered to an idol????
ok the sun is in my eyes, NEXT pitcher......
Justine.
Kat:
Hi ruckfogers,
Mark 7:19 because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?" (Thus He declared all foods clean.)
This scripture was a statement by Jesus, the last phrase in parentheses was added by Mark. I found nowhere that stated this to be spurious.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
DizzyD:
Greetings all...
I may be going astray with a thought about ruckfogers reference about when Jesus cast the demons out of the afflicted man and into the swine. I noticed something a while back, I don't recall if I heard it or if the thought just came to me. That is that the swine immediately ran down the hill into a lake and drowned themselves, the swine would not tolerate something in them that a human would. They would rather die. Just an observation :)
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