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« on: August 18, 2007, 01:34:44 AM »

The chicken industry was in terrible shape, losing money and laying off thousands of employees. Industry leaders hit upon a plan. They went to see the Pope and said, "We'll give you a million dollars if you can convince the world's religious leaders to change the part of the Bible that says, "Give us this day our daily bread" to, "Give us this day our daily chicken."
The Pope was outraged and said, "No!!"
The chicken leaders said, "Ok, ten million dollars."
The Pope replied, "Absolutely not! I will not tamper with the Word of God!"
The men said, "Ok, one hundred million dollars!"
The Pope couldn't resist anymore. He accepted.
At the next meeting of the General Council, the Pope said, "I have good news and I have bad news. The good news is that I've made 100 million dollars for the church. The bad news is that we lost the Wonder Bread account."


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« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2007, 02:59:59 AM »

HA ;D ;D

Don't doubt it a bit!


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« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2007, 04:00:20 PM »

I know that the fish industry is doing much better because of The Catlic Church.  It's the only meat that you can eat on Friday or you will go to hell. 


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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2007, 04:30:24 PM »

It sure does get convoluted and confusing when we believe it is what we are doing for God that saves us rather than what He is doing (and done) for us to save us.

Friday Abstinence

Definition (From a Catholic site)

Abstinence from meat on Friday.


Short Explanation
Lenten Fridays

On Lenten Fridays we must abstain from meat. Eating meat on a Lenten Friday can be a mortal sin.

All Other Fridays
On all other Fridays of the year, we must do some penance. The preferred penance is abstaining from meat, but we may choose another penance if we wish. Doing no penance at all on even a non-Lenten Friday can be a mortal sin.


More Detail
God’s first command to man with respect to abstinence occurred in the Garden of Eden. Gen 2:17 “

God commanded in the Torah dietary (“kosher”) laws that the people Israel were to abstain from eating particular kinds of animals, Lev 11, Deut 14 and that Jews fast as a penance on Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement. Lev 16:29 “And it shall be a statute to you for ever that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, you shall afflict yourselves.” The ancient rabbis understood “afflict yourselves” as a command to fast. Jews fasted in a spirit of penance on similar occasions. Jgs 20:26 “Then all the people of Israel, the whole army, went up and came to Bethel and wept; they sat there before the Lord, and fasted that day until evening.” God further commanded abstinence in the Jewish Passover celebration. Deut 16:3 “You shall eat no leavened bread with it; seven days you shall eat it with unleavened bread, the bread of affliction.”

Christ fasted forty days in the desert, during which time He took neither food nor drink. Mt 4:2 “And [Christ] fasted forty days and forty nights.” He told the Jews in the synagogue at Capernaum, Jn 6:51 “The bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh.” Christians have abstained from eating meat on Fridays in commemoration of His passion and death since the First Century.

In Christ’s time, the Pharisees fasted twice a week, on Mondays and Thursdays. In His parable the Pharisee prayed, Lk 18:12 “I fast twice a week.” Christians, following ancient Jewish traditions of fast and abstinence for penance, observed the law of fasting on Wednesdays and Friday abstinence from the time of Christ’s Crucifixion. The Didache (Teachings of the Apostles), chapter 8: “But let not your fasts be with the hypocrites, for they fast on the second and fifth day of the week. Rather, fast on the fourth day and the Preparation.” (Wednesday and Friday).

Church Teaching
As the centuries passed, the original requirement to fast twice a week was reduced. But, during the Church’s entire history, until 1966, all Fridays have been obligatory days of abstinence from meat on pain of mortal sin.

Since 1966, All Fridays during Lent remain obligatory days of abstinence from meat on pain of mortal sin. All other Fridays remain days of penance. The ordinary penance is absention from meat. However, on non-Lenten Fridays, the faithful may substitute another penance. The substituted penance should involve a level of sacrifice comparable to abstention from meat.

When Friday coincides with a solemnity we are dispensed from penance, in order that we might concentrate more fully on the occasion for the solemnity. All Holy Days of Obligation are solemnities.

Pope Paul VI published Paenitemini, the Apostolic Constitution on Penance, February 17, 1966. It provided for abstinence from meat for all the faithful over 14 years of age. Paenitemini, Chapter III, section C, Norm II, states: “1. The time of Lent preserves its penitential character. The days of penitence to be observed under obligation through-out the Church are all Fridays and Ash Wednesday, that is to say the first days of “Grande Quaresima” (Great Lent), according to the diversity of the rite. Their substantial observance binds gravely. 2. Apart from the faculties referred to in VI and VIII regarding the manner of fulfilling the precept of penitence on such days, abstinence is to be observed on every Friday which does not fall on a day of obligation, while abstinence and fast are to be observed on Ash Wednesday or, according to local practice, on the first day of ’Great Lent’ and on Good Friday.”

Canon law follows Paenitemini.

Canon 1249 “All Christ’s faithful are obliged by divine law, each in his or her own way, to do penance. However, so that all may be joined together in a certain common practice of penance, days of penance are prescribed. On these days the faithful are in a special manner to devote themselves to prayer, to engage in works of piety and charity, and to deny themselves, by fulfilling their obligations more faithfully and especially by observing the fast and abstinence which the following canons prescribe.”

Canon 1250 “All Fridays throughout the year and the time of Lent are penitential days and times throughout the universal Church.”

Canon 1251 “Abstinence from eating meat or another food according to the prescriptions of the conference of bishops is to be observed on Fridays throughout the year unless they are solemnities; abstinence and fast are to be observed on Ash Wednesday and on the Friday of the Passion and Death of Our Lord Jesus Christ.”

Canon 1252 “The law of abstinence binds those who have completed their fourteenth year.”

Canon 1253 “The Episcopal Conference can determine more particular ways in which fasting and abstinence are to be observed. In place of abstinence or fasting it can substitute, in whole or in part, other forms of penance, especially works of charity and exercises of piety.”

In the United States
We sometimes hear the false notion that “Vatican II did away with Friday abstinence.” In fact, the bishops gave the spirit of penance greater vitality:

The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) , then known as the National Conference of Catholic Bishops, stated in its Pastoral Statement On Penance and Abstinence, November 18, 1966, stated regarding non-Lenten Fridays:

“… the Catholic bishops of the United States, far from downgrading the traditional penitential observance of Friday, and motivated precisely by the desire to give the spirit of penance greater vitality, especially on Fridays, the day that Jesus died, urge our Catholic people henceforth to be guided by the following norms:

1. Friday itself remains a special day of penitential observance throughout the year, a time when those who seek perfection will be mindful of their personal sins and the sins of mankind which they are called upon to help expiate in union with Christ Crucified;

2. Friday should be in each week something of what Lent is in the entire year. For this reason we urge all to prepare for that weekly Easter that comes with each Sunday be freely making of every Friday a day of self-denial and mortification in prayerful remembrance of the passion of Jesus Christ;

3. Among the works of voluntary self-denial and personal penance which we especially commend to our people for the future observance of Friday, even though we hereby terminate the traditional law of abstinence as binding under pain of sin, as the sole prescribed means of observing Friday, we give first place to abstinence from flesh meat. We do so in the hope that the Catholic community will ordinarily continue to abstain from meat by free choice as formerly we did in obedience to Church law. Our expectation is based on the following considerations;

a. We shall thus freely and out of love for Christ Crucified show our solidarity with the generations of believers to whom this practice frequently became, especially in times of persecution and of great poverty, no mean evidence of fidelity in Christ and his Church.

b. We shall thus also remind ourselves that as Christians, although immersed in the world and sharing its life, we must preserve a saving and necessary difference from the spirit of the world. Our deliberate, personal abstinence from meat, more especially because no longer required by law, will be an outward sign of inward spiritual values that we cherish.”

For more detail see the complete Pastoral Statement On Penance and Abstinence.

For Catholics who prefer to substitute a penance other than Friday abstinence from meat, Canon 1253 suggests that other appropriate penances are works of charity or exercises of piety. The USCCB offers more detailed suggestions for Penitential Practices for Today’s Catholics.

In Other Countries
Catholics who live outside the United States may ask their pastors to help them obtain a copy of the guidance issued by their own country’s national conference of bishops. In the absence of such guidance, Catholics outside the United States may rely entirely on Paenitemini and Canons 1249-1253, quoted above.


Thank you God for the freedom we have through Christ, not being bound to the doctrines of men, thank you Lord for these verses;

Rom 8:2  For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Gal 5:1  Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

His Peace and Wisdom to you,


« Last Edit: August 18, 2007, 04:52:42 PM by hillsbororiver »


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« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2007, 04:45:13 PM »

If they could not be fishers of men... they decided to take it out on the fish




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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2007, 10:03:23 PM » vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrine, the commandments of man......

Loved the history joe!


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« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2007, 12:23:14 AM »

John Smith was the only Protestant to move into a large Catholic neighborhood. On the first Friday of Lent John was outside grilling a big juicy steak on his grill.
Meanwhile ,all his neighbors were eating cold tuna fish for supper. This went on each Friday of lent. On the last Friday of Lent the neighborhood men got together and decided something had to be done about John. He was tempting them to eat meat each Friday of Lent, and they couldn't take it anymore. They decided to try, and convert John to Catholicism.
They went over and talked to him . John decided to join all his neighbors and became a Catholic which made them very happy. They took him to church and the priest sprinkled some water over him and said "You were born a Baptist, you were raised a Baptist and now you are a Catholic.
The men were relieved , now their biggest Lenten temptation was resolved.
The next year's Lenten season rolled around. The first Friday of Lent came, and just at supper time when the neighborhood was setting down to their cold tuna fish dinner, the smell of steak cooking on a grill came wafting into their homes. The neighborhood men could not believe their noses.. WHAT WAS GOING ON ?
They called each other up and decided to meet over in John's yard to see if he had forgotten it was the first Friday of Lent. The group arrived just in time to see John standing over the grill with a small pitcher of water. He was sprinkling some water over his steak on the grill saying "You were born a cow, you were raised a cow, and now you are a fish.
« Last Edit: August 19, 2007, 12:57:36 AM by Snowfire »


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« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2007, 07:29:29 AM »

God designed and inspired the OT truth that they should, would, and continue to be so afflicted until God restores and delivers them.

2Cor 3:14 In fact, their minds were grown hard and calloused, for until THIS PRESENT DAY, when the Old Testament is being read, that same veil still lies on their hearts, not being lifted to reveal that in Christ it is made void and done away with.

Not knowing, seeing or believing in the above is, I would say, an affliction of deep blindness only the Lord can heal indeed!

Peace to you

Arcturus :)


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« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2007, 01:08:37 PM »

 ;D Good one Snowfire!
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