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What is heretical?
ciy:
This is a question from my heart and not for disruption. I am curious as to what should actually cause us to separate ourselves from other seekers through what we call heretical beliefs.
It seems that if someone is truly seeking the sacred secrets with all of their heart, and someone else is seeking it with all of their heart but has a different view on a mystery of God from a seeking brother should we not continue to strive with that truly seeking brother to find the truth of the matter.
I realize that there are babes that we are to help to go "line upon line, precept upon precept", but for how long do we strive with one of those babes to not accept an obvious truth and not one of the sacred secrets. Is this not allowing "a little yeast" into the loaf that will continue to spread until it has the whole loaf. In other words, do we allow that belief until the whole group accepts something that is clearly against the word just to be open to certain people or being a respecter of persons instead of abiding by the word.
I was studying the following about what is an abomination and I am feeling that what is considered an abomination would also be heretical.
See Deuteronomy 18:9-14
9 ¶ When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.
10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
13 Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.
14 For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the LORD thy God hath not suffered thee so to do.
When satan comes like an angel of light or a subtile serpent is when he creeps into the midst of us and rottens us from the inside out. Those obvious abominations that the majority of the world accepts are easy to keep out of our midst, but I believe we must beware of these little pinches of the yeast of the pharisees that is allowed to just remain amongst us. These "get along with the world beliefs" are what can keep all of us from being one in Christ.
I speak of when we are so quick to condemn when we disagree on one of the deeper truths of God, but we say it is ok to continue to observe days (Christmas, Easter, Halloween, and other pagan holidays) because God just has not convicted me of this yet. What this seems to be is how the sins of the father are passed on to the sons because we just cannot keep our children or grandchildren from celebrating with the rest of the world so we allow that little bit of yeast into their lives that will be extremely hard to get out if ever. We can condemn on a mystery because that is easy. It does not separate us from the world, but when it comes to something visible to all and is an actual day by day separating out we seem to stumble over the stumbling block.
Again I am thinking out loud and speaking to myself as much as anyone else. Just wondering what your thoughts are on this.
CIY
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Ciy
I realise that a blind person is blind.
I guard against agreement with what I know to be error. What I do find extraordinary is that spiritually blind people seek agreement and want agreement. I simply do not give it and if they want an explanation, which they often do not want, then it brings to light the separation anyway.
It would be different if someone wants to know the truth, but very few do.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
rocky:
I think this is a starting point.
1Jo 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
1Jo 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1Jo 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
1Jo 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
1Jo 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth forever.
1Jo 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us: for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
I love how Paul, searched out, encouraged, reprimanded, the carnal Corinthians. He didn't give up on them, he prayed for, cried over, and preached to them how to "grow up". He called them brothers. He reminded them of who thery are In Christ Jesus.
1Co 1:5 That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge;
1Co 1:6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:
1Co 1:7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Co 1:8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Co 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
But at some point, one needs to be turned over to satan for the destruction of their flesh.
I think the key is, at what point does one need to be cut loose, and turned over to satan for destruction of the flesh??
Somewhere, i can't find it right now; there is a verse re: give them a couple of times to repent, then cut them loose. I think it's in I Timothy??
ciy:
Arcturus and Rocky
Two good posts. It is a matter of at what time you disassociate with others.
Titus 3:9-11
9 ¶ But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
CIY
rocky:
--- Quote from: ciy on August 25, 2007, 12:25:42 PM ---Titus 3:9-11
9 ¶ But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
CIY
--- End quote ---
that's the verse, thanks.
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