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Deborah-Leigh:

While it may appear at first glance to be admirable to go back into Babylon to seek out a little lamb, it is only God who has this job description. ;D

http://bible-truths.com/lake7.html

"And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE, that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues. For her sins have REACHED UNTO HEAVEN, and God has remembered her iniquities" (Rev. 8:5).

Yes, God is talking about His people, who are in His church, but … BUT, who must nonetheless, "REPENT" (Rev. 2:5 & 5, 16, 21, 22, 3:3, 19—seven times, COMPLETE REPENTANCE), and "COME OUT OF HER." Coming out of her is no small part of this "repentance."

If God is calling you to be a Son, you must come out of "Mystery Babylon the Great, mother of harlots, and the abominations of the earth." Peace to you

Arcturus :)

insanezenmistress:
eh.....


 ok fine.


(hope god makes me leave then)


    and i dont want to be the bleeding heart here. or merely to be admirable. it could very well be that i am just in some kind of transitional phase.


      I cant deny those scriputre, i dont even mean to, but then what about the commisons of Jesus to go and spread the gosple? I think that is all covered also when i discribe our process into the Mind of Christ involves us where ever we are. I just think leaveing babylon also includes leaving the world system itself, which is what that building  the church and those people are inside of ( religion flavor insted of fashion flavor or politics flavor)

       Yes the Ecclesia is out there in scattered masses, and few  meet in this house or  that convention or lucky enough to have a great forum to sound off, And that building is not the church.

       We are not to love the world or the many flavors of its things. I say we cant even get unyoked from it all without Christ, and may be there is a reason we are here. If not trying to reach anyone still in the babylon church style, then may to be seeking the seekers of god in babylon world style, or not.......maybe jsut to be seeking god and helping along those who are knowing the same truths as we are..maybe thats just it...then why the desire in me to help people?

         Then why all the instruction from Jesus about makeing disciplies, and proclaiming the gosple, and giving to sinners, of going the extra mile, and the warnings that we would be put out, we would be unaccecpted.


     But this issue is far more than should i go to a church.............but what should i do when i realsie i am the church? To which of the least of thses ought i share the message with?................You all come to me and say nope, thats up to god....god will get the sheep out......God got me out, you say.

      I ask why? and How? He got you out by leading you to a PERSON with the GOSPLE who was PROCLAIMING it. Are you saying then that there is NO work for us to do on this planet while we wait for the End of the eon?

      You obey Christ and then you are his witness wether you think going back into the building is ok or wether you live your witness in your cubicle at work you are everyday GOING into babylon  and must be called out form her. (not partake of her values) I wonder if we narrowly interpret what is this babylon, is it JUST the whore Chruch of god, or is it also the whoredoms of all world systems?

       At this point, i will concider myself in a trasnition. I have to admit i have many years of old system theology clouding the understanding of revelation in my head. I have seen it interpreted as the Catholic Church, and as a governmental system, and have seen it on my own as perhaps both to include a worldy carnal mind (greed selfishness and Power) preforming the places where The Lord ought to be ruleing and reining.
   
     Anyway much to concider. And i trust the Father has us jsut where we are supposed to be. I wrote all this to try to work out what i am supposed to do.  Not what you are are suposed to do, I can see the wisdom in separation from the going to church thing and have went out also.

      Then i had returned and would be angery because there seemed so little usefull truth there, but then i saw a few persons in the pews who needed encouragement.  I guess i go there to pray for them, i go there to observe. And it very well could be that doign this is HIS way for me to begin separation. 

      I guess i am attached to going someplace on sunday, where i can talk about god freely if not cirtien doctrines, because i am normally a recluse, and the only people i ever see hand me reciepts and say have a nice day.


       well.........this whole paper is not just about going to church buildings but how the mind of Christ, growing within you, makes you CHURCH no matter where you stand ..........it is in the world also that they will persequte you.


Justine

Kat:

Hi Justine,

I know it is a hard transition period for you to come out of this worldly system.
I think of coming out of the world, as separating ourselves from all the carnal and materialistic ways that people in the world are centered on, this includes the church.

Rom 8:6  For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
v. 7  Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.

If the Spirit of Christ is not in you, then you are not seeking God at all, but the flesh.  This is the people of the world and the church right now in this age.

What we are told to do as Christ's disciples is bear fruit.

John 15:8  By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.

John 15:16  You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you.

Here is the fruit we are to bear.

Gal 5:22  But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
v.23  gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
v. 24  And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
v. 25  If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.

I think it is the mission of the church to get everybody they can saved in this life, because they do not believe that there is salvation in the Lake of Fire judgment to come.
We that are learning the truth come to understand that we are not trying to save people from going to hell, because there is no hell. 
And if God opens someone eyes to the truth, He will give them whatever mean they need to find that truth.  It may be that He does lead someone to a believer to help them come to the truth.  But you do not need to find the right place to be where God can do this, like going to church just in case God is going to open someone and you will be there ready to help them.  He can bring them to you, if He so desires.

1Pe 3:15  but sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and be ready always to give an answer to everyone who asks you a reason of the hope in you, with meekness and fear;

We are to be a light to this world, but first we are learning how to be a light.  We are learning how to bear fruit and we can do this whereever we are.  These fruits that we bear, come out in all of our interactions with everybody we come in contact with.  the fruit is being formed in our inter being to be like Christ or in His image.  We have to learn to be patience with all situations, to be kind and loving in heart and mind, not just doing it right, but thinking and feeling it the right way. 
So this is just my attempt to show you what I feel like you can be doing now as Christ's disciple.  Studying the scripture is a very time consuming for me and that is very important.

2Tim 2:15  Study earnestly to present yourself approved to God, a workman that does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth.

Hope this helps  :)

mercy, peace and love
Kat

DuluthGA:
Hi IZM,

I am one who distributes BibleTruths dot com labels with nature pictures on them wherever I feel they will be seen and/or perhaps appreciated.  Does God need me to do this, I think not, but I do it.  I have a few other avenues of theorhetically "spreading the truth" that are similar.

I don't think the Scriptures are completely silent in this regard:

Matt 14: 19   And He is saying to them, "Hither! After Me, and I will be making you fishers of men!

Mark 16: 15   And He said to them, "Go into all the world; herald the evangel to the entire creation.

1Cor 10: 33   according as I also am pleasing all in all things, not seeking my own expedience, but that of the many, that they may be saved.

Maybe these verses were just for the apostles, and that's okay, I understand that the gifts of the apostles, e.g., raising some dead, healing, laying on of hands, etc., passed away.  But there are another couple of other relevant verses regarding spreading the truth, but alas, I just can't put my fingers on them right now, sorry, will attempt a search this week for them.  Anyway even without them, even Ray has said that his ministry of putting forth his writings is what God has given him in his heart to do.  BONK!  No brainer.  In heart/given by God, go do.

Anyway, I just wanted to let you know that I feel given by my Lord and Father to do what I can in a very limited way to promote Ray's website.  Surely I am not messing up anything in His plan so in that sense I agree with you.  ;D

I admire your ease and flow in writing, none of which I have, am a hack that has to work hard to get a decent thought out "on paper."  I too like thinking about the blend of the whorish Babylon church with that of the world system(s).  I'm right-on with you here as well. The way I look at it is rather simplistic:  I am getting ready to become a spirit being.  I may die tonight.  If I do, I will sleep then wake to a resurrection and (eventually) become spirit.  So my immediate goal for each day is to BE READY and not be loving some PHYSICAL THING OR RELATED CONCEPT so much that I just couldn't part with it and not be happy without it in the spiritual realm. 

And I concur with you again that He calls the shots on this, it's all one and it's all Him, and yes I would stick my neck out by saying that those going headlong into Babylon are obeying Him in the roundabout way anyway because there HAS to be a Babylon to COME OUT OF.

Thank you for this thread,
Many times now on this forum I find I go round and round
and come right back to Him again.   ;D
It's all a good thing.
Janice

javajoe:
My two cents about sharing the gospel:


1 Peter 3:15 But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect

That is my approach.  As I have opportunity, I will share my faith, and just leave the results to God.  I think the gentleness and respect is the salt and light part of it.

Joe

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