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Paul and Baptism
eutychus:
[One baptism in Spirit.
Physical rituals died on the cross.
Joe[/quote]
Heb 9:16
For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17
For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator livethHeb 9:17
hillsbororiver:
Good stuff Chuck, the prior 2 verses may clear up your point for others who might wonder why you chose this scripture.
Thanks,
Joe
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
eutychus:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver ---Good stuff Chuck, the prior 2 verses may clear up your point for others who might wonder why you chose this scripture.
Thanks,
Joe
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
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Joe, thanks,
if people would understand Christ was born under the law and taaught under the law to fullfill all things and that the new test. does not start until
after his death and at pentacost the fire began. less confusion would be around.
peace
chuckt
rvhill:
Baptism like group prayer, affirmations, sabbath, and communion are not for God or to be saved, they are for our needs. You should do these thing, but not to be saved or any other wrong reason. These things are foolish to God, but God does know us better then we know our selves. I believe if you believe in Jesus you should be baptist, because first it does not hurt. Second was because Jesus was baptist. Third God may want you to be baptist? Think of it as a simple affirmation of faith. I was circumcised, my brother was and so was my father. I would never tell a grown man to be circumcised, but there are reasons to have your son circumcised.
Lightseeker:
--- Quote from: BBryant --- 1Pe 3:21 "the representation of which, baptism, is now saving you also (not the putting off of the filth of the flesh, but the inquiry of a good conscience to God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.."
Can someon explain Peter's statement to me?
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Barbara,
I would like to weigh in on your original question since I have another POV for you to consider. Baptism has both a 'form' and a 'reality'. 'Water baptism' is the 'physical form' and a 'baptism of repentance' is the 'spiritual reality'. Jesus was baptized with water for repentance. But the only thing Jesus had to repent from was from being led of the law to that of being led of the Spirit, which He received at His water baptism. According to Strong's the word repentance (Gr. metanoeo) doesn't mean 'I'm sorry'. It means 'to have a change of thinking'.This 'change of thinking' was required for Him to "fulfill all righteousness". Jesus had to quit thinking about being led of the law (imputed righteousness) and start being led of the spirit (imparted righteousness) to usher in and demonstrate the reality of the new covenant and Gospel of the Kingdom of God.
Our following after the command of the Lord to be water baptized, I believe, is simply our first act of obedience to fullfill righteousness in our own lives. When we have our 'change of thinking' our conscience is clear before God because we have simply been obedient to His command.
Our 'water form (formality)' is a one time event, but the 'spiritual reality' of 'repenting' is part of our daily walk in Christ where our mind is being conformed to His mind as the Spirit convicts us as to error and we 'repent' or change our thinking. The result is...in that area of our life our conscience is clear before God as we walk in the 'ressurection life of Christ' in that part of our life.
Hope that makes some sense. I'm new here so I hope I haven't said anything toooo heretical :D
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