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bobf:
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--- Quote from: bobf ---It may be difficult to overcome what God has done by design.
Psalm 18:26 With the pure thou wilt shew thyself pure; and with the froward thou wilt shew thyself froward.[/list:u]
Hi Bob, absolutely, we are in total agreement here, more importantly, so is scripture!
Joe
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How did that happen? I was responding to you Bob but it posted as yours.
Interesting...........
Joe
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A you a moderator? Maybe you edited my post.
shibboleth:
I will try to answer the question of evil the best I can with what I know. In 1Samuel chapters 16 and 18, God sends an evil spirit to Saul. If we had no evil we would not know good. I certainly don't understand all the horrible things God causes to happen on this earth, but I know that nothing happens that God hasn't preplanned and ordained. He has a purpose for every child that is aborted, he has a purpose for every woman beaten by her husband or boyfriend, he has a purpose for every calamity, disaster and tragedy that happens in this world. We are mere mortals and can't possibly know why God does what he does and why He does what He does.
Someone explained evil like the scaffolding that goes up in order to build a structure. Once the structure is up, the scaffolding is torn down. So when God is finsished with evil, he will tear it down. It has served its purpose and is no longer necessary anymore.
When God has women and children killed in the OT, we tend to get teary eyed and sad. But, the fact is we don't know why God had people killed, and until we do, we are only speculating about it. The children may have had incurable diseases, such as syphillis or other STDs. What looks cruel to us, may actually be Gods mercy. Most of us know about the Nazi holocaust and how Hitler ordered the extermination of Jews. Let's say you are a Jew and have children. It is only a matter of time before the Nazis are at your door. You have cyanide capsules and can spare your children pain and misery. Would you be able to give your children poison to keep them from such terror? I can understand how God would kill people to spare them misery, since I could see myself doing it as a parent. Besides, God has created us and can do with us as he pleases. Romans 9 makes that pretty clear.
I will say that although I know God has a purpose for evil, I still don't understand the amount of evil He causes on this earth.
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: bobf ---
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver ---
--- Quote from: bobf ---It may be difficult to overcome what God has done by design.
Psalm 18:26 With the pure thou wilt shew thyself pure; and with the froward thou wilt shew thyself froward.[/list:u]
Hi Bob, absolutely, we are in total agreement here, more importantly, so is scripture!
Joe
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How did that happen? I was responding to you Bob but it posted as yours.
Interesting...........
Joe
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A you a moderator? Maybe you edited my post.
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Ahh, that was it, I am a moderator and I messed up and hit "edit" instead of "quote." The aim must be off a bit today.
Thanks,
Joe
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: shibboleth ---I will try to answer the question of evil the best I can with what I know. In 1Samuel chapters 16 and 18, God sends an evil spirit to Saul. If we had no evil we would not know good. I certainly don't understand all the horrible things God causes to happen on this earth, but I know that nothing happens that God hasn't preplanned and ordained. He has a purpose for every child that is aborted, he has a purpose for every woman beaten by her husband or boyfriend, he has a purpose for every calamity, disaster and tragedy that happens in this world. We are mere mortals and can't possibly know why God does what he does and why He does what He does.
Someone explained evil like the scaffolding that goes up in order to build a structure. Once the structure is up, the scaffolding is torn down. So when God is finsished with evil, he will tear it down. It has served its purpose and is no longer necessary anymore.
When God has women and children killed in the OT, we tend to get teary eyed and sad. But, the fact is we don't know why God had people killed, and until we do, we are only speculating about it. The children may have had incurable diseases, such as syphillis or other STDs. What looks cruel to us, may actually be Gods mercy. Most of us know about the Nazi holocaust and how Hitler ordered the extermination of Jews. Let's say you are a Jew and have children. It is only a matter of time before the Nazis are at your door. You have cyanide capsules and can spare your children pain and misery. Would you be able to give your children poison to keep them from such terror? I can understand how God would kill people to spare them misery, since I could see myself doing it as a parent. Besides, God has created us and can do with us as he pleases. Romans 9 makes that pretty clear.
I will say that although I know God has a purpose for evil, I still don't understand the amount of evil He causes on this earth.
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Hi Debra,
I also cannot claim to know all the mysteries of God but I have faith that all He does is for the ultimate good of all His creation. We see through the glass darkly, our wisdom is not His wisdom but do have His promise, to reconcile all to Him.
In this vapor of life that we are presently experiencing we do not see the entire picture, how different it will be when we shed the corruptible flesh and put on the incorruptible Spirit to immortality, then will we see His plan and why it had to be the way it is. When we contrast the dark past (of the flesh) with the bright unending future as Spirit always to be in His presence I am sure it will seem like an insignificant price we paid for such a glorious reward.
Well crafted ornate pottery cannot be made without the fire of the kiln to strengthen it and bring it's beauty to the suface, such are we in the Potter's Hand.
Joe
zander:
I met up with two friends last night who can be described as humanists aswell. The topic of religion came up. It proved to be confusing at best to explain to them what i beleive and why. I think their opinion of religion differs to mine.
I would say this to them. At the end of the day, i beleive that this whole life is a plan from God, a learning process and our ultimate destiny for every male and female ever lived, living now and will live in the future, is a wonderful nirvana.
When you tell them that, the debate goes a little quiet.
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