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Free will
Abed:
Amen and Thank you
God richly bless you all
Phil3:10:
I personally do not feel our choices have much to do with GOD'S will. HE places us where we are, brings the influences into our lives, determines our life span, elects and calls us and is in total, complete, unincumbered
control of everything. HE knows the beginning and the end, HE IS, HE WAS, and HE WILL FOREVER BE.
I just think HIM that HE has touched my life and I have quit trying to be holy and to only do what HE has asked us to do in the 1st and 2nd Greatest Commandments. I fail, HE forgive, I ask and HE answers. I may not understand but he is patient. HE desires that we seek him with all we have within us. Lets just do that and CHRIST will take care of all the rest.
Phil3:10
gmik:
Welcome Abed!
Your post cleared up some things for me!!! I had never thought about the fact that my "free will" action could actually thwart the omniscience of God and then so how could He BE God!!!!
I know I have believed in free will since reading Ray, but some things seem foggy and that was one of them!!!! Much clearer to me now!!!
Sonofone, God Bless your humility.
Great thread and posts by all. Thanks to all.
Gosh, I had a bad typo!!
Fedex Guy:
Just a point on free will. Christian leaders claim we have free will. I often hear "God doesn't send anyone to hell, they choose to go there by rejecting Christ"
Anyway, it was God who put the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in the garden, right? Now, some claim he did that so we would have free will. In other words, we need the possibility to sin and disobey God in order to have free will or else we would be just robots. However, every Christian I know is sure that there is no sin, nor temptation to sin, in heaven. Does that mean God really wants us to be robots? Will we be robots in heaven?
Not looking for an answer here, just pointing out an inconsistency of logic. 8)
rjsurfs:
Hi FedEx Guy,
This is definitely one of the harder learnings to understand and accept when coming out of Babylon. No one would... or chooses to go to hell.
What stood out to me in your post was
--- Quote ---every Christian I know...
--- End quote ---
I'm sure that is true and your experience. Christianity will not let go of this idol of the heart... this supposition that man has the power to thwart the very will of God.
We make choices... just not uncaused choices. Our choices are driven by circumstances... controlled by God who is All in All.
Ray spends pages and pages (4 parts) within the Lake of Fire series exposing this myth of free will. Please take time to read it... read it twice.
I found no basis for believing in free will upon reading Ray's paper... it is simply not scriptural. But yes, it is taught universally in the church of man. Ray gives much scriptural testimony to just who is in control in his Lake of Fire series... but, no we are not robots. The Good News is actually good. I encourage you to read it and be blessed.
This section begins in part XV of the Lake of Fire series here:
http://bible-truths.com/lake15.html
Bobby
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