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skydreamers:

--- Quote ---Even Jesus and the Apostles continued teaching in the Synagogue.
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Hi sonofone,

I suspect they taught in the synagogue because that's were people were gathering, and the message was preached first to the Jews...Jesus said He came unto His own, and His own would not receive Him.  The point is the Jews (and now the spiritual Jews...the ones called out of the world...Christians) reject the true Messiah.  They can't receive Him and in fact want to kill Him.

Luke 4:16-30
And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up. And as was his custom, he went to the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and he stood up to read.  And the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was given to him. He unrolled the scroll and found the place where it was written,  "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed,to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor." (isn't this what UR is all about?  isn't this what we all here believe?)

And he rolled up the scroll and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on him. And he began to say to them, "Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing."

And all spoke well of him and marveled at the gracious words that were coming from his mouth.

(but then look what happens)

And they said, "Is not this Joseph's son?" And he said to them, "Doubtless you will quote to me this proverb, 'Physician, heal yourself.' What we have heard you did at Capernaum, do here in your hometown as well."  And he said, "Truly, I say to you, no prophet is acceptable in his hometown.  But in truth, I tell you, there were many widows in Israel in the days of Elijah, when the heavens were shut up three years and six months, and a great famine came over all the land, and Elijah was sent to none of them but only to Zarephath, in the land of Sidon, to a woman who was a widow.  And there were many lepers in Israel in the time of the prophet Elisha, and none of them was cleansed, but only Naaman the Syrian."

When they heard these things, all in the synagogue were filled with wrath. (the church will not tolerate the truth of "many called, few chosen" and what it really means)

And they rose up and drove him out of the town and brought him to the brow of the hill on which their town was built, so that they could throw him down the cliff.

But passing through their midst, he went away.

I believe the church (all of them) are in the same condition today.  If God wants you to share this truth, it doesn't matter where you are, you can be sure you WILL share it.  But some try to remain in the church and find they can't tolerate the lies and so they leave.  Others get kicked out for speaking out on their belief.  It really does look like those that are "chosen" will eventually "come out of" Babylon.  This is part of the process.  Now whether that means only "spiritually" or also "physically" is what often gets disputed.  Each person has to figure that out for themselves.

I think Ray has said many times, if they would have him in the churches and allow Him to preach his message directly after the pastor/preacher, he would gladly do it.   
Show Ray's writings to your pastor and see if he would invite Ray down to do some preaching to the congregation....

Even when Paul preached in the synagogues, though there were ones who received the message, there were yet other Jews who would come along and stir up trouble which would lead to Paul being sent away.  Paul eventually focused on the Gentiles.

Yes the message has to get out there, but it looks like God is doing a pretty good job of drawing His people to the truth without using the church.  In fact, I have yet to read a testimony from someone on this forum, who received the truth from a fellow church member, or from a sermon at church.

Almost everybody has gone through a spiritual crisis of some sort and somehow "stumbled" upon this site or others which began to show them these truths.  Or others were exposed to these teachings by friends and family members already out of 'Babylon'.  Many have seen the truths on their own through their own studies but didn't know what to do with it at the time, until they learned that they can indeed come out of the physical Church temple and simply be God's spiritual temple and be a part of the House of the Living God, fellowshipping in spirit with the rest of the salt scattered throughout the earth.

Either way, you have to go where you feel the Lord is leading you. 

Peace and love to ya,
Diana 

D Student:
 "Christ died for the whore that so many are so quick to jump ship from. How are they to hear the good news if we don't stay connected "
Gregor, I don't think you're getting it...
  
   I can tell you that I didn't just Jump Ship and kept this wonderful secret to myself. I 've done what was I was directed to do. If & when I ever go to CHURCH, it's to tell a different message to believers. Me going to any place where there are people who already have an idea or some amount of belief/faith in Jesus, there might be some who are seeking Truth and not acceptind such an Evil way of serving our FATHER.

   Sad to say, only one out of Thousands will even want to dig a little deeper, but that doesn't mean we should stop.
You know, I've seen a few new threads lately where people are talking about how happy they are to see the Ttruth now, but are sad/scared to tell others at their Church about it. I don't get it. Well in a way I do, but how can you be anything other than happy???

   Do they want to serve their Lord and be liked by everyone else? It's not gonna' happen and I've already chosen to
stay on that path. Not one person in my Life is with me in my beliefs(other than B.T people) and EVERYBODY I know
has done away with me. What greater prize could I get? How much more proof do I need to see that I'm on track?

   I've also learned, preaching to the Drug dealers/users, Club goers, prostitutes, Gangmembers , Etc on the mean streets is not what my Father has asked us/me to do. It's the ones who are still lost and continue to be slaves of the world & the Temples they'll serve before they give anything to the one they claim is their Father.

  I do understand how some people get the idea that we have found a new way of living and we are to just forget everything & everyone else, but that's not the way. Ofcourse I'm not saying to go to any Church and try raining on their parade. You'll be the Enemy and won't do any good. Study, Pray for direction & counsel, then when it's time, you'll know what to do because you won't be alone.

  You would not believe how many times I've been lead to people so that I can share the GOOD NEWS. Also admmiting that for this very reason, I don't go out much. Every time I go somewhere, God or Jesus or Church is mentioned by whoever is around me and I can't shut up when I hear LIES and CONFUSION of what is true.
  The only bad part is, they end up hating me, no matter how soft spoken & friendly I bring info across to them.
But I wake up the next day and realize that I did nothing wrong and only repeated what was in their BIBLES.

   Well to sum it all up, I'll go where ever I'm lead to, say what ever comes to me, and show love to anyone who asks me what I think. That doesn't mean I'll continue to go to a Church and blind myself by living a lie.
If I was to do that, I'd be in the wrong by staying quiet and letting these DoDo birds jump into the hole.

   Make sure you read and try to understand what Ray writes about and don't focus so much on what the members of this Forum will say. They're wonderfull people and some are on point, but opinions can & will cloud minds...

                                                                                                                      D Student

sonofone:
This is exactly what I was hoping for. The feedback has been great. It stirs the mind and soul. I have to admit while reading certain responses that suggest I need only read more of Rays materials to get my answers, works on my carnal nature. In other words THEMS FIGHTING WORDS TO ME!!! But I thank God for his spirit which allows me to put that in check. I don't ever want to do or say something to damage my relationship with any of you. Not even the ones that remind me that I yet have a carnal nature that wants to rise up and fight. I truly Love you all, I am privileged to have found you. Before this site i was asleep as I have mentioned on other post for about ten years. I am now alive, awake. It feels great to be in this place both naturally,and spiritually. I hope that we will continue to hash this out,not like a cat that bats at a ball of yarn. Rather working to find the common ground if you will. I have already began to see some commonground in your responses. Thank You! There will be more questions to come from me in the future.

javajoe:

--- Quote from: Gregor on September 13, 2007, 12:59:41 AM ---Final thought, how about Mt.7:12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets. I would hope that others wont bail on me just because I believe differently.

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Hi Gregor!  (and forum people)! 

We seem to be kindred spirits on this forum.  I must admit I have been avoiding the forum the past few days (beside being way too busy on out of town business) because some of the points you brought up.  I, too, attend a local church.  I know the people there love the Lord and lives are being changed.  I know I am not more spiritual than they, and for me to call them "Babylon" would be the ultimate in arrogance.  I have just been privileged to be exposed to another point of view that speaks truth to me, and is helping me spiritually.

I believe we do need to get down and dirty, and fight injustice in this world, and Christ's injunction that you just quoted should rule in our lives.  I was thinking particularly about Corrie ten Boom and her family, who hid Jews from Nazi murderers.  Certainly, she was obeying Christ's command that you mentioned. And she had to break the law to do it!  If that situation were to repeat itself, what would be the attitude of some people on this forum?  Would they ignore what was going on, saying "this is just God's will" or "this is a political matter and I must not get involved", or "we are to submit the rulers of the land", or would they "obey God rather than man", and "do unto others what you would have them do unto you".  Believe me, if someone were hunting me down unjustly, I would hope someone would be kind enough to provide a way of escape for me.  Would those someones perhaps be people on this forum?  I would hope.

I am REALLY sorry for being so cynical, and sorry that some of you will be offended.  This forum and Ray's teaching have helped me tremendously, and please rebuke me if I am wrong about the attitude I sense.

In Christ,

JavaJoe

sonofone:
Beautiful post JavaJoe. the best thing about your post in my opinion is your spirit. Thats what I listen for when I read post on this forum. I sense your heart for God and your willingness to expose yourself to these people on this forum to check your spirit. I don't think anybody on here can rightfully have a problem with this. I think we should all throw ourselves in or on this fire so that God can Burn off anything that is not of or like him. Thank you Brother.

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