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Deborah-Leigh:
Decisions decisions ;D :D

Gregor:
Greetings Rodger,
You said, "In the 1st part man is permitted to eat of all the trees. no exceptions" when actually there are exceptions attatched.
Gen 1:29 ¶ And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which [is] the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
The condition attached is that the tree must contain fruit that yields seed. Perhaps the fruit on the tree of knowledge of good and evil contains no seed? Not sure what that implies exactly, but something to consider.
G.
Copied from a link from Google:
GRADE: Fifth

CONTENT STANDARD: Life Science

CONTENT TOPIC: Plants

CONCEPT: Plants have complex structures with specialized functions.

CONTENT OBJECTIVE: 5F1.00 To understand the characteristics of seed bearing and non-seed bearing plants

There are two groups of seed bearing plants. One group of seed bearing plants has cones. These are called gymnosperms. Their seeds are called cones. The conifers are one large group of gymnosperms. This group supplies wood and wood products. They keep their leaves year round. Some examples are pines, redwood, fir, spruce, and cypress. (Show examples on pictures, posters, or plants that are gymnosperms.) The other group of seed bearing plants is called angiosperms. This group supplies beauty, cloth, wood, medicine and food. They lose their leaves each year. Some examples are tulips, wheat, rice, cotton, tomatoes and many others. These plants have flowers. (Show examples on pictures, posters, or plants that are angiosperms.)
Seed bearing plants have chlorophyll. They make their own food by the process called photosynthesis. (Review photosynthesis: Plants use the sun, water, carbon dioxide, and energy combine to make sugar and oxygen.) They have tubes for water.

How many of you have changed since you were born? (pause) Do plants go through changes after the seeds are planted? (response) Today we are going to talk about the different life cycles of different kinds of plants.
All organisms have life cycles. A plant's life cycle includes its germination, growth, production of new plants, and death. Different kinds of plants have different life cycles. Some plants have a short life cycle; others have a longer one. Annuals are plants that begin as seeds, grow, and die within one year or one growing season. Some examples are corn, beans, marigolds and zinnias. Biennials are plants that complete these life cycle in two years or two growing seasons. The first year, these plants will have roots, stems and leaves. The second year, they will grow flowers and form fruit and seeds. The plant will die after the second year. Some examples are beets, strawberries and hollyhocks. The third group of plants is called perennials. Perennials live more than two years before their life cycle is complete. At the end of each growing season, a part of the plant will remain alive in a bulb or in the roots. The leaves and stems will die on some plants, on other plants even the stems will remain. Some examples are tulips, daisies, lilies and trees.

Today we are going to learn about some plants that do not have flowers or cones. They are called non-seed bearing plants.
Non-seed bearing plants reproduce without seeds. They produce spores instead. Spores are tiny reproductive cells that grow into new plants. One plant may make millions of spores. Ferns are one type of seedless plant. The spores of ferns grow on the underside of the leaves. Ferns have transport tubes to carry food and water.
Moss is another type of seedless plant. The spores of a moss form in a capsule on top of a small stalk. Mosses do not have transport systems or veins, instead food and water move from cell to cell.
Fungi is another type of seedless plant. Fungi has no chlorophyll and depends on other organisms.
Algae is another type of non-seed plant. Algae produce their own food. Algae are grouped by color. Green scum can be seen growing on the surface of a pond.

And from Wikpedia:

Reproduction
Plants can propagate through both sexual and asexual reproduction. Many plants can generate a genetic clone through a process called vegetative reproduction, which does not involve meiosis, gamete formation, or fertilization. This type of propagation involves the development of shoots and roots from a number of tissues such as stems, roots, and leaves. Many crops, grasses, and trees are developed using this type of cloning instead of by seed. Examples include Potatoes, Bananas, Aspen, Poplar, Willow, Strawberry, Avocado, Fig, Pineapple, citrus fruits (Lemon, Orange, Grapefruit), nut crops (Walnut, Pecan), and pome fruits (Apple, Pear).

Sexual reproduction begins through pollination. Pollination happens when the pollen (male gamete) comes in contact with the stigma (female organ) of the same or a different flower. Pollen transport is accomplished either by drifting in the wind or being carried to another flower by insects, such as bees. After pollination the pollen grain germinates, then begin to grow a pollen tube down the style, through the wall of the ovary and into an ovule (incipient seed). As the pollen tube grows, two sperm are produced - one unites with female gamete, the other unites with the central cell of the ovule and produces the endosperm of the seed.

Growth
Unlike most animals and humans, plants continue to grow as long as they live. They can also be defined as functionally immortal. Although many have adapted to annual lifecycles where necessary, all types of plants grow as perennials where conditions allow, and only die as a result of trauma, pathogenicity, or when their basic requirements for life are not met.

Plants have the unique ability to grow in specific directions as a response to a number of external stimuli. This phenomena is known as a tropism, which can be a positive or negative growth. For example, the response of plants to gravity (geotropism), is positive/toward the stimulus in roots, and negative in the stems where growth is in the opposite direction. Plant shoots are stimulated to grow toward sunlight (phototropism). Hydrotropism is a response to water, chemotropism to a chemical stimulus, and thigmotropism is a response to physical contact, which causes tendrils of climbing plants to grow when they touch a support and then grow around it.

Kat:

Hi Rodger,

My post was not meant as an admonishment, but was intended to show you that bit of the conference audio, that you may not have seen.
I've been reading your posts with interest.  Thanks for sharing your insights  :)

mercy, peace and love
Kat

hillsbororiver:

--- Quote from: Falconn003 on September 18, 2007, 02:54:41 PM ---

basicaly what i was going to get too, before i was stopped in my train of thought, by those who fear the thinking process of the Spirit.

I do however continue too invest my TALENT, with family, friends and in a PMs avenue of Fellowship with like minds.

No intentions of stirring awake nor upsetting anyone who is satisfied with thier buried TALENTS in life.



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--- Quote from: Falconn003 on September 18, 2007, 06:55:44 PM --- 

This is a QUESTION i was trying to elaborate when i felt the rug pull from under me.

Please note if this is upsetting to some i have no problem stopping and withdrawing from this thread !!


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Rodger,

Is this incessent in your face confrontational style really necessary? We should be able to exchange thoughts, ideas and questions without the leaven of adding our personal frustrations. Does patience, peace, longsuffering and brotherly kindness only apply to some?

We have discussed this before and it is my hope we can edify and encourage each other here, I do not see these type of comments as particularly encouraging or edifying, in fact just the opposite.

There is no doubt that you raise some good points and have for the entire time I have known you but as Paul states;
 
1 Corinthians 13

 1Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

 2And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

 3And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

 4Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

 5Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;

 6Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;

 7Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

 8Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

 9For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

 10But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

 11When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

 12For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

 13And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

We are all aware that Jesus spoke with sarcasm and scathing rebukes to the hypocritical religious leaders and Pharisees but He did not do this to those who earnestly sought wisdom without guile or an ulterior motive, I see no guile or ulterior motives presented by those who have been responding here in this thread. Please do not take a request for clarification as a personal challenge to be defensive or accusational about.

Please.

His Peace to you,

Joe

Gregor:
Greetings Rodger,
I don't want to appear to be "pulling the rug out from under you." In fact, I think you're on to something here. I just think that there may be more meaning than we're noticing. And there is a difference in the trees which produce fruit, and ones which produce fruit with seeds. Although there may be different types of fruit, I find it interesting that each has a very different means of reproduction, lifespan, and even a different process for feeding ie photosynthesis. When applying the method of looking at types in the scriptures, I can see many parallels. One being photosynthesis - the means of producing food by way of light, Jesus being our light, spiritual food. I don't have time to really explain more, but thought you may want to look a little deeper. In any case, I don't feel threatened or offended in any way, and really enjoy studying the story of Adam and Eve. I have many questions myself, just not the time at the moment. One theory you may want to look into is the Jewish tradition of story telling. I heard in church once that traditionally they would give an overview, and then go into details. Just a thought. Anyways, got to run. All the best.
G.

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