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LittleBear:
Hi Justine,
I believe God has each of us exactly where He wants us. Some of us are are going through tribulation, some desire more knowledge, some are basking in the love and peace of God, some are struggling, some are outspoken, some quiet. Different personalities, various temperaments and gifts. It's all wonderful.
You say:
Nations change, even christians in theses nations suffer real tribulation.
I am all for trusting god, and hopeing we got the interpretations correct. but it does not liberate us form the "tribulation" of a Nation Falling.
We will all go through tribulation at some point, and God teaches us to rely on Him during these times. Whether it is a personal trial in our own lives, or if it is an immense national catastrophe, we will endure in Him. Our heavenly Father keeps us safe, so as per Kat's post, there is no need to worry.
We may not even have the correct interpretations about everything. Who really does? How did those chosen of God in the Dark Ages endure? How much knowledge did they actually have when "the church" tried to keep them in the dark? Yet somehow, they did go on, and they were the chosen, and God took care of them. I'm so thankful that He can do anything. He is totally awesome!
Thank you for your honesty in your post. You are who God made you and you are precious.
Love,
Ursula
hillsbororiver:
Hi Gregor,
I sincerely apologize as I removed your post by mistake, I clicked "remove" instead of "reply" and even clicked to verify, that is what I get for being in a hurry.
But in response to your observation about "do not worry" having a spiritual meaning rather than a physical I say, how about both?
It is written not to murder, Jesus says do not hate, if we do not hate we are less likely to murder.
Thou shalt not commit adultery, Jesus says do not lust, if we do not lust we are less likely to commit adultery.
If we are temperate in all things we will live accordingly so by following His spiritual laws we shall be better equipped to do well in the physical world.
I believe these verses testify to that;
Mat 6:31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or What shall we drink? or Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
Mat 6:32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Mat 6:34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
There is a difference between faith and being presumptuous, if we wake up in the morning and faithfully do what is required to provide for our families we are doing well in His eyes, if instead we turn off the alarm clock roll over and go back to sleep missing work and justify our actions by saying I am faithfully trusting in the Lord, we are not fooling anyone, especially Him.
1Ti 5:8 But if any provide not for his own and especially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
So I agree we must use our physical labor to provide where we can but to stress over things outside our control, what is the use?
Are there any verses in the NT that deal with the apostles complaining about Rome or what they should do about Rome's iron clad rule over Israel, did they not faithfully go about the business of God depending on Him to provide when and where it was outside their own power to do anything to overcome the circumstances they faced?
On another note we often try to limit or too narrowly define some Scripture with the words either, or, only, physical, literal, spiritual, etc. when in fact His Word is so much more powerful than that, much of the Word is deeper and more textured than we can truly grasp. Seeking the spiritual though does pay dividends in the physical as well, our spiritual fruits of the spirit should manifest themselves as we are still in the flesh or else it is all just empty words.
Again, I am truly sorry for deleting your post, it was not intentional, just a result of being in too much haste.
His Peace to you,
Joe
Gregor:
Thanks for the reply Joe, I was wondering what happened to my post. In any case, I agree with what you said. I think that the meanings of scripture are both literal in some ways and figurative in others. Or both at the same time. I also think that even without the deeper meanings we are able to "love one another." Simple, yet challenging. God is good. God is sovereign and it is a pleasure to be able to discuss and learn here in this forum. Thanks to all for the input/edification. May we all continue to grow.
Your brother in Christ,
G.
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Gregor
You say : I think that the meanings of scripture are both literal in some ways and figurative in others.
I see this as Absolute and Relative. Ray has identified this concept in one of his teachings that was quintessential for me in my path to learning to understand the Word of God. As Ray says :
.....there is a little more to the mysteries of God than meet the eyes.....http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2252.0.html
You observe : God is good. God is sovereign and it is a pleasure to be able to discuss and learn here in this forum.
I believe that is part of why we are here to encourage one another to integrate the Truth we have received through discussion encouragement and exhortation as that Truth becomes part of our lives, thoughts and being.
Peace be to you
Arcturus :)
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on September 23, 2007, 06:36:54 AM ---
I believe that is part of why we are here to encourage one another to integrate the Truth we have received through discussion encouragement and exhortation as that Truth becomes part of our lives, thoughts and being.
--- End quote ---
AMEN to that Arcturus!
Gregor,
Thank you for your response, even though we can experience some bumps in the road here at the Forum I am so thankful we have a place to learn, share and grow together. Developing patience is also a bi product albeit a very important part of enduring through some of the more difficult moments.
I thank God for all of my Brothers and Sisters here.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
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