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sonofone:
For those of you avid Ray readers I apologize up front for asking questions that may have already been covered by Ray. I try to read as much of it as I can in my available time, so here goes. Eve was deceived by the serpent not Adam. When the bible says she gave to Adam who was there with her,what's that say about Adam? And if we are compared to Adam or better yet Christ the second Adam. What did Adam do by eating the fruit Eve gave her?

Kat:
Hi sonofone,

There is a segment of last yrs Mobile conference (2nd & 3rd audio) where Ray spoke about Adam and Eve, here is an excerpt form that transcript, there is a lot more details on the audio.

http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3720.msg27966.html#msg27966 ----------------

Now a interesting thing.  It says in Tim. 2:14, that when Eve took the forbidden fruit she was deceived, the serpent had deceived her.  But Adam was not deceived.  Well if she was deceived, and she ate the fruit.  Why did Adam eat it?  He wasn’t deceived, so why did he eat it?  Why didn’t he say you dumb female, you stupid wife of mine.  How could you do such a dumb thing.  No, no he did not.  She gave him some and he ate it too. 
Why, would he do that?  He knew.  Because God told him first, and He told him specifically.  And we know Eve knew because she said to the serpent, “God has said.”  But first He said it to Adam before he created Eve.  You can eat of every tree but of this tree you can not and the day you eat there of you will DIE. (Gen. 2:16-17)
In the Hebrew, ‘to die you shall be dying.”  You will begin to die, you will be mortal and just die.  You will be mortal and come to old age and die.  So he knew that, he knew that when Eve ate it she was going to die.  He longed for that woman so long and now she is going to die.  He loved her so much, he said if she is going to die, I’m going to die with her, and he ate the fruit.  He knew full well he would die, and he said I’m going with her.  I’m not going to let her go alone, you see.  So he was willing to die for that woman.
You see any spiritual connections?

Eph 5:25  Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for it [He died],
v. 26  that He might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the Word,
v. 27  that He might present it to Himself as the glorious church, without spot or wrinkle or any such things, but that it should be holy and without blemish.
v. 28  So men ought to love their wives as their own bodies.

The first woman came from the body of man.

v. 28 “He who loves his wife loves himself.
v. 29  For no man ever yet hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, even as the Lord loves the church.
v. 30  For we are members of His body, of His flesh, and of His bones.”

Adam said to the woman, she is flesh of my flesh, bone of my bone, she came out of me.

So we are members of His body, flesh of his flesh and it says;

Gen 2:24 For this cause, will a man leave his father and his mother, and cleave unto his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

When a man and a woman are united ........They are one flesh, in that relationship, you see.  And that is why you’re not suppose to fornicate with prostitutes.  Because when you’re joined to a prostitute you’re one flesh too, and that’s an abomination.  You cling to your wife, not your wife and your girl friend and the local whore.  Your wife, because your one flesh, you see.
This is a great mystery it says.  But I’m speaking concerning Christ and His church.  The relationship of Christ with the church, it typified by the relationship of a loving husband and a loving wife in sexual intercourse.  When they are so emotionally intertwined with one another, that they are literally one flesh.  This is the relationship we’re going to have with God.  Christ refers to the church as the Bride of Christ. 
The bride is going to be all decorated, by that we mean, made spotless and sure and clean, character wise.  A fitting Bride for the creator of the universe.

Paul taught the church in Ephesians, this mystery of a man and a woman coming together.  You know after a man longs for a woman for so long, and I’m saying years..........that’s what I believe.
But for years and finally he, “at last” there you are.  There you are, the one I’ve been dreaming of.  This was a big deal.
They don’t make it a big deal out of it in the King James.  Because Adam says, “This is flesh of my flesh.”  NO, exclamation point, “at last!”  finally!  This is it!  Yes!  My woman! 
Emphatically the emotion is expressed in that word ‘now.’ 
Seven other translations got it right. 
Doesn’t that convey something of joy in the heart of God.

When Paul comes along and says this very thing we’re talking about, he’s talking about Christ and the church.
You see it’s a great spiritual lesson, this union of a husband and a wife, what it should be.  How a husband should love a wife and how a wife should love a husband.  I mean really love each other dearly.
This is how Christ loves the church, and died for it.
Just as the husband and wife become one flesh, God wants to be that intimate with humanity, like one flesh.

John 10:30  “I and the Father are one!”

They’re not the same person, but ‘one,’ there’s a difference.
But one, same spirit, same mind, same attitude, same character, same power, same strength, same wisdom, same purpose, they are one.
And that’s what God wants us to be with Him, that close, one.
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Audio 2 & 3,
http://bible-truths.com/audio/9-2-06MobileConf.2.mp3
http://bible-truths.com/audio/9-2-06MobileConf.3.mp3

mercy, peace and love
Kat

sonofone:
This info and link is priceless. your timeliness is in your response is greatly appreciated. Thanks

Gregor:
Greetings,
Rom 5:14 NKJV, "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come."

I found this verse and it made me wonder what was the likeness of the transgression of Adam which was different from "even those who had not sinned according to..."? Even those who believed and didn't test God were subject to death. I'm not sure that I agree that Adam loved his wife so much that he was willing to lay down his life for her, (as christ did for us, his bride). Here's why:

Read John 10:1-18. (Seriously, read it, lots to ponder!) Notice vs.11,12 NKJV, "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives his life for the sheep. But he who is a hireling and not the shepherd, one who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees; and the wolf catches the sheep and scatters them."

Gen. 2:15 "Then the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend (dress) and keep(protect) it." Adam was definately not fulfilling his purpose, and was a bad shepherd.

John 14:15,16, "If you love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever." (Unlike Adam and Eve)

John 15:9-17, "As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. If you keep My comandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy man remain in you, and that your joy may be full. This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one's life for his friends. Your are my friends if you do whatever I command you. No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I heard from My Father I have made known to you. You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name he may give you. These things I command you, that you love one another."

I'm wondering if Adam himself wasn't testing God, kinda like a little kid watching their younger sibling, "try it first" to see what would happen. When Eve ate and didn't instantly die, maybe Adam then took the "hook". Then when they were exposed (undressed), Adam still showed a lack of love for Eve saying, "The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I ate." (Gen.3:12) blaming her. In any case, I'm convinced Adam's transgression was against God, by not believing him, not loving him, and not keeping his commandments. And I think that no one is able to truely LOVE, unless they first know God. In the flesh it's called lust. And just like with Judas, ungodly sorrow leads to death, not repentance.

G.

chuckt:
Job 31:33  If I covered my transgressions as Adam, by hiding mine iniquity in my bosom:

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Ps 89:47
Remember how short my time is: wherefore hast thou made all men in vain


Shav' TWOT - 2338a
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
shawv      Noun Masculine 
 
 Definition
emptiness, vanity, falsehood
emptiness, nothingness, vanity emptiness of speech, lying worthlessness (of conduct) 


 
Ro 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, 


Mataiotes 4:523,571
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
mat-ah-yot'-ace      Noun Feminine 
 
 Definition
what is devoid of truth and appropriateness perverseness, depravity frailty, want of vigour 



adam was always naked, once he realized he was naked he tried to hide.

the worse thing we can do when God reveals our nakedness is to hide.

the best thing to do is turn to HIM and be clothed, clothed in CHRIST.


God bless

chuckt

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