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Eve deceived?
Gregor:
Thanks Chuckt!
Good insight. Adam was unrepentant. Instead of acknowledging his own sin and repenting, he became like the serpent, the accuser of the brethren, and tried to cover himself. Yikes. I'm amazed at how similar we all are. Thanks and Praise be to God for the hope of His salvation through Jesus Christ and the guarantee of His Spirit. ;D
In His Grace,
G.
chuckt:
--- Quote from: Gregor on September 21, 2007, 01:14:54 PM ---Thanks Chuckt!
Good insight. Adam was unrepentant. Instead of acknowledging his own sin and repenting, he became like the serpent, the accuser of the brethren, and tried to cover himself. Yikes. I'm amazed at how similar we all are. Thanks and Praise be to God for the hope of His salvation through Jesus Christ and the guarantee of His Spirit. ;D
In His Grace,
G.
--- End quote ---
greetings friend.
not only did he try and hide but he also blamed the woman instead of stepping up and covering HER.
LOVE covers sin.
Pro 10:12 Hatred stirreth up strifes: but love covereth all sins.
Pro 17:9 He that covereth a transgression seeketh love; but he that repeateth a matter separateth [very] friends.
this is really a good topic and one can see all kinds of stuff here.
1Cr 15:47 The first man [is] of the earth, earthy: the second man [is] the Lord from heaven.
clay was never ment to live forever.
peace and love
chuckt
Kat:
Hi Gregor,
Gen 2:15 And Jehovah God took the man and put him into the garden of Eden to work it and keep it.
I think this verse is specifically talking about the garden. But I don't know that Adam failed to protect Eve. I assume you mean he did not protect her from eating the apple. But that was all in the plan of God, so it was the way things were destined to happen.
--- Quote ---I'm convinced Adam's transgression was against God, by not believing him, not loving him, and not keeping his commandments. And I think that no one is able to truely LOVE, unless they first know God. In the flesh it's called lust.
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All sin is ultimately aganist God, as He is the cause of all things. Carnal humans indeed can not believe, love or keep the spirit of the commandments.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
But to say that man can not love his wife without knowing God. That would only include those few given God's spirit now, that know God.
1John 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
1John 3:24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
So do you mean to say that the vast majority of humans, husbands and wives, do not have real love for one another? I think there is more than just lust in many marriages. I believe to have God's spirit helps us have a greater degee of love for all mankind and for our mates. But I do believe I have experienced and seen in other marriages love beyond lust, even though being carnal minded.
Adam was a type and shadow of Christ, so it would seem, what Ray said would fit with Adam's love for Eve, is like Christ's love for His church.
Rom 5:14 "...who is a type of Him who was to come."
Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her,
Before God gave Moses the law there was still sin and death, even though the law was not specifically stated. All those who live between Adam and Moses still sinned one way or another, even though they didn't have the law yet. But Adam had been given the commandment not to eat the fruit directly from God.
Rom 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned--
v. 13 for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law.
v. 14 Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come. (NIV)
Just some thoughts :)
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Redbird:
--- Quote ---Thanks Chuckt!
Good insight. Adam was unrepentant. Instead of acknowledging his own sin and repenting, he became like the serpent, the accuser of the brethren, and tried to cover himself. Yikes. I'm amazed at how similar we all are. Thanks and Praise be to God for the hope of His salvation through Jesus Christ and the guarantee of His Spirit.
In His Grace,
G.
greetings friend.
not only did he try and hide but he also blamed the woman instead of stepping up and covering HER.
LOVE covers sin.
Pro 10:12 Hatred stirreth up strifes: but love covereth all sins.
Pro 17:9 He that covereth a transgression seeketh love; but he that repeateth a matter separateth [very] friends.
this is really a good topic and one can see all kinds of stuff here.
1Cr 15:47 The first man [is] of the earth, earthy: the second man [is] the Lord from heaven.
clay was never ment to live forever.
peace and love
chuckt
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Wow Guys! Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Genesis 5: 1 THIS is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; 2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
No mention of Eve here. Guess the Lord's got her covered! :)
Peace and Love, Lisa
sonofone:
Same topic different question. Before the fall of Adam and Eve did there exist a husband wife relationship? I yhink not,at least not in the sense of one being the head and the other subserviant. This may seem like a superficial question, but it does have ramifications.
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