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sonofone:
I have probably asked about this before in some shape or fashion.My apologies if asked and answered already.What could this possibly mean if God is not angry? If no one has transgressed what is to be repaid?If  I was created to sin, what am I apologizing for? Why is he requiring repentance? If I do not repent what is the vengeance that he will repay? If it's all about him and none about me,what's the point?

hillsbororiver:
Hi sonophone,

The short answer is; this is speaking to the person who has been wronged by another and the promise from God that He will make everything right.

Don't hit back, turn the other cheek, don't be angry with your brother, don't seek revenge, forgive and you will be forgiven, etc. This is more a message to those afflicted than it is to those doing the afflicting.

Trust in Him to sort it all out in all of our best interest! 

Rom 12:18  If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
 
Rom 12:19  Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
 
Rom 12:20  Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
 
Rom 12:21  Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

Another part of our growing process in becoming Christlike.

His Peace to you,

Joe

sonofone:
Hebrews chapter 10 vs 26-31 Vs 30 For we know him that hath said,vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense,saith the lord.and again the lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. That does not sound at all pleasant. This instance is referring to mankind as it relates to transgressing against God. If I'm not sensing anger here then my senses truly have been dulled. Why would God be angry if we simply do as he wants us to?

Deborah-Leigh:
For me vengeance is that part of God's judgment that is relative to God's wrath. Those who are experiencing trials and tribulations will not experience God's wrath/LOF/Second death but are being judged now as is the House of God on whom judgment is "now."

It is inaccurate to relate Godly vengeance to the human emotion that manifests anger, hostility, aggression and the damage that results from such human exhibits of retaliation, violence and hate. God IS LOVE. His Judgment results in righteousness. To comprehend this we have to look AWAY from human standards and see that God is Spirit and He is training all humanity into the image of His Son who suffered and died for all of us. That is love. That is not vengeance.

God exercises His Judgment on us and for that moment it is painful but it is fruitful and that is the assurance we have in Christ.

Think of God as Spirit not as human emotions.

Peace be to you

Arcturus :)

hillsbororiver:
Hi sonophone,

You are absolutely correct it is not a pleasant thing, we get to learn the hard way, think about it, do we ever learn anything of real value the easy way?

Arcturus brings up an extremely important point, His ways are not our ways and His motivation is not spite or revenge, it is love and conciliation, everything we experience is for our spiritual growth. 

Heb 12:11  Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

1Pe 4:12  Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:

When I read scripture that for some reason does not seem to fit or appears to present a contradiction as to God's plan and purpose or even to His charactor I will check the root word (Hebrew or Greek) to see all the definitions presented.

Vengeance1557

G1557
ἐκδίκησις
ekdikēsis
ek-dik'-ay-sis
From G1556; vindication, retribution: - (a-, re-) venge (-ance), punishment.

Vindication has a little different connotation than vengeance;

vindicate - Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 :

  Vindicate \Vin"di*cate\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Vindicated; p.
     pr. & vb. n. Vindicating.] [L. vindicatus, p. p. of
     vindicare to lay claim to, defend, avenge. See Vengeance.]

     1. To lay claim to; to assert a right to; to claim. [R.]
         
 
     2. To maintain or defend with success; to prove to be valid;
        to assert convincingly; to sustain against assault; as, to
        vindicate a right, claim, or title.
        [1913 Webster]
 
     3. To support or maintain as true or correct, against denial,
        censure, or objections; to defend; to justify.
        [1913 Webster]
 
               
     4. To maintain, as a law or a cause, by overthrowing enemies.
        --Milton.
        [1913 Webster]
 
     5. To liberate; to set free; to deliver. [Obs.]
        [1913 Webster]
 
               
     6. To avenge; to punish; as, a war to vindicate or punish
        infidelity. [Obs.] --Bacon.
        [1913 Webster]
 
                       
     Syn: To assert; maintain; claim. See Assert.
          [1913 Webster]


Isa 26:9  With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.

Vindication is mine sayeth the Lord!  ;)

His Peace and Wisdom to you,

Joe

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