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DuluthGA:
Pretty good Gregor, but I think you missed a few points.
Ray said: ...he didn’t have it anymore. She had it! What do you suppose that was? I'm thinking it was not long hair or breasts... but the female external genitalia. Not the penis, bonk! Adam still had his.
--- Quote ---I think Ray's mistaken here. God has no physical body,
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Gregor, c'mon... of course Ray was being figurative here. Don't be goofy.
Good to hear what your spiritual connotations are... mine are similar, but with the word WHOLENESS added to it... and a feeling of MUCH MORE FEMALE EQUALITY IN HIS SPIRIT than God's entire Word renders outright without having to dig dig dig for it.
I LOVED hearing this message from Ray for this very sort of "women's equality" reason. And to a woman, it DOES matter if it's a rib or a chamber for a variety of deep and not just superfluous reasons. A liberating insight to be heralded by women abroad!
I am always sort of tickled and awed to think about God ~the mystery~ we will not know completely into the future. Of course we will be sexless per Scripture. The actual discerning of spiritual matters, as you too speculate you just don't know, are to me, somewhere in like the sixteenth dimension, if that is even a concept, [out of bounds] and I deal with this attempt to grasp it daily and continually chuckle to myself. This paper of Ray's brought a few things home to me personally.
I appreciate your views with thanks to you as a forum friend!
J.
Deborah-Leigh:
And the two shall become one flesh....This mystery IS VERY GREAT.... Eph 5 : 31..
Have you ever experienced passion that blurs your boundaries and melts dividing lines between you and your spouse? I am not taliking about out of the body experiences either. :)
I believe that our union with God will be of such a nature that boundaries will blur too.
Eph 3 : 19 That you may really come to know practically, through experience for yourselves, the love of Christ, which far surpasses mere knowledge, that you may be FILLED THROUGH ALL YOUR BEING unto all the fullness of God, and may have the riches measure of the divine Presence, and BECOME A BODY WHOLLY FILLED AND FLOODED WITH GOD HIMSELF.
I do not believe that Paul is here referring to human carnal sensuality.
We taste that the Lord is good not in a tactile sensual way but in a spiritual way and as we are weaned off our taste for carnality, literal thinking and our own limitations we are then able to glimpse what Paul prayed for his brethren that they would be wholly filled and flooded with God Himself. There IS joy in His Presence but just think about what the emotion is in union with Christ not in a genital way but in a 2filled through all your being" embrace of God. Are you ready to disintegrate and be flooded in the union of God filling your being?
Ray's revelation on Adam and Eve can be brought down to carnal thinking but it should rather be viewed in the Spirit of Christs perfection and His work to raise children for God as brothers and sisters of Christ in preparation to be the BRIDE.
This is all spiritual not sexual or gender limited. This is cosmic in its proportions, boundless in its apllication and limitless in its gift to humankind being made into the image of Christ to be His Bride.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
Kat:
Hi Janice and Arcturus,
Thanks for bringing this out, this is a very important aspect of God that is not taught, at least I've never heard anyone else speak on this.
I thought I would bring this part up, from the same transcript. I think this excerpt further expresses what Arcturus was saying.
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When a man and a woman are united in sexual intercourse.....They are one flesh, in that relationship, you see. And that is why you’re not suppose to fornicate with prostitutes. Because when you’re joined to a prostitute you’re one flesh too, and that’s an abomination. You cling to your wife, not your wife and your girl friend and the local whore. Your wife, because your one flesh, you see.
This is a great mystery it says. But I’m speaking concerning Christ and His church. The relationship of Christ with the church, it typified by the relationship of a loving husband and a loving wife in sexual intercourse. When they are so emotionally intertwined with one another, that they are literally one flesh. This is the relationship we’re going to have with God. Christ refers to the church as the Bride of Christ.
The bride is going to be all decorated, by that we mean, made spotless and sure and clean, character wise. A fitting Bride for the creator of the universe.
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When Paul comes along and says this very thing we’re talking about, he’s talking about Christ and the church.
You see it’s a great spiritual lesson, this union of a husband and a wife, what it should be. How a husband should love a wife and how a wife should love a husband. I mean really love each other dearly.
This is how Christ loves the church, and died for it.
Just as the husband and wife become one flesh, God wants to be that intimate with humanity, like one flesh.
John 10:30 “I and the Father are one!”
They’re not the same person, but ‘one,’ there’s a difference.
But one, same spirit, same mind, same attitude, same character, same power, same strength, same wisdom, same purpose, they are one.
And that’s what God wants us to be with Him, that close, one.
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Interesting to look at these things that give us a deeper spiritual understanding of the relationship of the spirit.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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