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skydreamers:
In my study of spurious passages a few months ago I discovered that Luke 23:34 apparently did not appear in the earliest manuscripts.  So there are scholars who consider this verse spurious. 

Here's what one site had to say about it:

• 1966/76: Did Jesus say: "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do" while he was being executed? Well, a footnote to Luke 23:34 in the Good News Bible, Today's English Version reads: "Some manuscripts do not have Jesus said, 'Forgive them, Father! They don't know what they are doing'." (page N.T. 115). It is also bracketed as doubtful in The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures, 1969, New World Bible Translation Committee, New York, p 407.
   If it is an insertion, the purpose would be to help in altering the realistic, balanced, "sin no more" Jesus into the "ever-forgiving Jesus" image that saved the Church leaders for centuries from having to routinely expel serious wrongdoers and dangerous men of violence, and allows them to "forgive" themselves for child sex abuse! -- Religion Clarity Campaign, July 2003, revised February 2004. -- Check Good News New Testament, Bible Society in Australia © 1966, Canberra, 4th edition, 1976, p 227.

http://www.multiline.com.au/~johnm/religion/spurious.htm

See also:

http://www.bibletoday.com/htstb/spurious.htm

http://books.google.com/books?id=-Q9EAilSY_0C&pg=PA10&lpg=PA10&dq=luke+%2223+34%22+spurious&source=web&ots=hBOmQArsdc&sig=z2sehot61O8srcVCU8KJDuToce8

http://mb-soft.com/believe/txn/oncross.htm

Of course, this doesn't necessarily change much since we have other passages of forgiveness shown by Jesus.  But it is disconcerting and confusing to trust which passages are real and which were inserted by church scribes with their own agendas.

Peace,
Diana

sonofone:
I can see why people would want to call this scripture spurious,or claim it was not what Jesus said. But what about Stephen he said the same thing as he was being stoned? The fact of the matter is that blindness was caused in  in part by God Romans 11 vs 8 According as it is written,God hath given them the spirit of slumber,eyes that they should not see,and ears that they should not hear unto this day. They did not know what they were doing.They thought they were getting rid of a heretic,an impostor.Even so the church wants no part of the elect,even Paul was persecuted for the revelation that God gave him.This persecution came from within,not without.Romans 11 vs 7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election has obtained it,and the rest were blinded

Deborah-Leigh:
And why did God give them over to their vile affections and degrading passions? Because they were without understanding, conscienceless, faithless, heartless, merciless and loveless.

For me this pretty much describes the Beast or the natural man or the weak spiritual condition we need experience and come to know and comprehend before we are delivered by His Spirit to repentance and then conformation to His image and likeness rather than the image and likeness of the Beast within.

I enjoyed what you observed sonofone : This persecution came from within,not without.

Peace to you

Arcturus :)

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