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rocky:
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--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on October 07, 2007, 10:43:54 AM ---Hello Kat,
The beautiful thing is that when our eyes begin to open to His spiritual Truths these tribulations are much more bearable because we know they are necessary for our development and maturity, yes we are Sons and Daughters first but as babes not mature enough to fully receive our inheretence, that maturity comes through learning obedience and living in faith.
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Re: Is this judgeing?
« Reply #56 on: Today at 05:59:42 AM »
Hello Alex
Just a few observations.
Babylon teaches that there are saved and born again members of the body of Christ BEFORE the resurrection to life in Christ or judgment at the White Throne. Hence the confusion. Smiley
For me there are no sons or daughters yet except one and that is Christ. For some there is the conception of His Spirit within and the race to finish the test of faith and trial of our fidelity to Christ.
You say : However, i noticed that those who have the SPIRIT OF CHRIST are the sons and daughters of God.
We do not know who is and who isn't elected to sonship and daughter status yet. Only God knows His own. For us we have the Hope to be called sons and daughters but it is not yet that the sons and daughters have been made manifest.
Greetings,
So which is it? Are we sons/daughters or not? Both Joe and Arcturus are "hero members" yet seem to be presenting conflicting statements. Maybe its just me who's confused?? ???What does Ray teach? I'm not trying to create controversy, just trying to clarify. Furthermore, I know that some scriptures appear to contradict, but are really oxymorons. Like the statement, "God is not the author of confusion" yet Gen. 11:7 says "Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another's speech." Ambiguous words >:(
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Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Gal 4:4 But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Gal 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
But
it should be noted, that manifestation, is yet to come
Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
manifestation:
G602
ἀποκάλυψις
apokalupsis
ap-ok-al'-oop-sis
From G601; disclosure: - appearing, coming, lighten, manifestation, be revealed, revelation.
rocky:
Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye ********, and not sons.
If no one is a son, then no one is being chastised.
Gregor:
Rom.4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
Kat:
Hi Gregor,
The thing is, while we are in the physical flesh we are still male and female. So for now it is a part of our idenity in this life, and pf course that goes for those few chosen, God knows who His physical sons and physical daughters being prepared are, but He is no respecter of persons, and in the spirit there is no difference.
This is from Ray's Bible study 'Esther - The Destiny of women.'
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5506.0.html ---------------------------
Act 10:34 And Peter opened his mouth and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Alright we’ll except that, the word of God says it, we should believe it. Notice this in Corinthians.
2 Cor 6:18 And will be to you a Father, And ye shall be to Me sons and DAUGHTERS, says the Lord Almighty.
Did He leave women out? No, “sons and daughters.” Even though sons is used more often, daughters is in there, sons and daughters. God will be a Father to His sons and daughters. God is no respecter of persons.
Gal 3:28 There can be neither Jew nor Greek, there can be neither bond nor free, there can be NO MALE AND FEMALE; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
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there are lessons to be learned for both. Men should learn the finer traits of femininity. Women should learn the virtuous quality of masculinity.
The perfect balance in all of this is Jesus Christ, who created them both. If Jesus Christ created man and woman, male and female, don’t you think He drew upon something to come up with what they are? The creation came out of the mind of God. So there is no inequality there. They are both to learn. Just because the man is over the wife and the wife is subject to the husband, is not a degrading position anymore than the church being subject to Christ is a degrading position. It is a very honorable position. Can we not agree on that?
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
Gregor:
Greetings Kat,
I think you missed my point. In post #9 I'm not asking if we are sons or daughters, but if it's correct to say we are sons and daughters. Regardless of gender, lets say children, is it ok to say we are children or do we only become children after the resurrection? This is where our words become ambiguous and there seems to be conflicting opinions on what is the correct terminology. Ultimately, I don't go for the "once saved always saved" teachings, which also would apply to the "once a child, always a child" of God philosophy. I believe sometimes our words get in the way and result in conflict.
Rom.11:16-25
[16] For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
[17] And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
[18] Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
[19] Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
[20] Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
[21] For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
[22] Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
[23] And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
[24] For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
[25] For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
So the question remains, why the discrepency over terminology? Do you have a link from Ray's teachings? Thanks.
G.
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