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My Utmost for His Highest
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Gregor
I have randomly opened the book under discussion and have read the postulate that we get understanding of God through obedience. We know here in BT that we can not even obey without the Grace of God. Of course obedience is part of the process of Gods work in us but again, it is NOT mans work in himself or MANS achievement to choose Christ or obey Him. All good works are of God.
While there are many points that Oswald Chambers brings forward I find that these high points are sullied by his uniformed knowledge that Free Will is a Myth. Chambers has writing flare and poetic licence but to me a Roofer has more clarity of Christ mindedness that this author. For me, it is frustrating to see the subtlelies meshed in with what at a superficial glance, apprears to be spiritual illumination.
We are told that the beginning of Wisdom is to fear God and for me to fear God is to apprehend and acknowledge and have the comprehensive insight into the sovereignty of our Father....and that is just the start!
I hope I have not offended you Alex. I just do not desire that in order to go from a to b that you take the highway of the entire alphabet first. The Myth of Free Will is a most important first step not only in our studies here in BT but as said and written. Prov 1 : 7 The reverent and worshipful fear of the Lord is the beginning and the principal and choice part of knowledge, its starting point and its essence....Prov 4 : 7 the beginning of Wisdom is: get Wisdom.
Some can be wise without knowledge of God as was Solomon and some I believe can be knowledgeable without Wisdom....We just have to be aware of where the teachings show Sovereignty of God and like mindedness with Christ. For me, Chambers has wisdom and much of it but lacks in knowledge of the fact that man can not choose from FREE WILL and that mans greatest virtues are not his own.
I feel this way because I have seen S-O-O-O many look good false teachings and feel good errors of intentions that miss the mark. I am not a teacher but a student who knows a true teacher that is Ray Smith. Others I have seen have not cracked the most important lines of deception and bars of bondage like I have experienced from reading Rays revelations. This might not be everyone's experience I am aware of that but it is mine as I can testify to be able to see the Mind of Christ in clear profile in the work given to us through Ray. Every other teaching or sermon has only been a sensual meal that wears off and is forgotton but Ray's teachings! I have read them and don't ever want to be who I was before I read them! Know what I mean?
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
Peace to you
Beloved:
Take courage Alex we all did this seeking ....
(Ecc 12:9 KJVR) And moreover, because the preacher was wise, he still taught the people knowledge; yea, he gave good heed, and sought out, and set in order many proverbs.
(Ecc 12:10 KJVR) The preacher sought to find out acceptable words: and that which was written was upright, even words of truth.
(Ecc 12:11 KJVR) The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd.
(Ecc 12:12 KJVR) And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.
(Ecc 12:13 KJVR) Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
(Ecc 12:14 KJVR) For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
Just keep your discenment beanie on, Remember The Word is the Only Source.
Even though I have read and owned many of these books... I now really look at most of these publications as sellers of God's word.....as a result you tend to always find things within them like Arcturus said that appeal to the carnal...that is why many are best sellers.
I like the facts that you are seeing the good and the limitations in this arthors thinking.
(Phi 4:8 KJVR) Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
Beloved
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Beloved on October 15, 2007, 06:43:59 PM ---Take courage Alex we all did this seeking ....
(Ecc 12:9 KJVR) And moreover, because the preacher was wise, he still taught the people knowledge; yea, he gave good heed, and sought out, and set in order many proverbs.
(Ecc 12:10 KJVR) The preacher sought to find out acceptable words: and that which was written was upright, even words of truth.
(Ecc 12:11 KJVR) The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd.
(Ecc 12:12 KJVR) And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.
(Ecc 12:13 KJVR) Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
(Ecc 12:14 KJVR) For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
Just keep your discenment beanie on, Remember The Word is the Only Source.
Even though I have read and owned many of these books... I now really look at most of these publications as sellers of God's word.....as a result you tend to always find things within them like Arcturus said that appeal to the carnal...that is why many are best sellers.
I like the facts that you are seeing the good and the limitations in this arthors thinking.
(Phi 4:8 KJVR) Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
Beloved
--- End quote ---
Thank you beloved for this, it was a blessing.
To arcturus, no you have not offended me one bit, i know there is much false teaching, but i picked this out because to me it stood out as haveing some merit to it. Offcourse, God is never limited in how He presents Himself, an error in which i feel the author has made.
God bless,
Alex
jER:
"Man’s" ways are really insignificant, even though they may give (on the surface) some short-term relief.
A friend in Christ!
-jER
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