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Spiritual Truths
DuluthGA:
HI jER... I just LOVED that! Thank you, will be copying it. :)
And thanks Darren, especially for Proverbs 3: 5-8 and your sentiments on spiritual truths and how they might relate to this forum. I agree that:
--- Quote ---How then can a spiritually enlightened person be at all rough or hard on these folks, for they know not what they do, for they are working only with what they have been given. (Just as we all are)
--- End quote ---
Thanks v v much for the reminders of Romans 12: 3 and Gal 5: 15; They are good reminders to us all.
--- Quote ---We must NEVER forget, that these very same ones should and WILL know us by our Measure of Spirit; for take away that which has been freely given us (Not Earned!) we are no different than anyone else.
--- End quote ---
Agreed. Here are some supportive verses:
2Chr 1: 12a Wisdom and knowledge is GRANTED unto thee;
John 6: 29 Jesus answered and said to them, "THIS IS THE WORK OF GOD, that you may be believing in that One Whom He commissions." [CLNT]
John 16: 13 Yet whenever that may be coming -- the spirit of truth --it WILL BE GUIDING YOU into all the truth, for it will not be speaking from itself, but whatsoever it should be hearing will it be speaking, and of what is coming will it be informing you.
John 3: 27-28 John answered and said, A man can receive NOTHING, except it be given him from heaven. Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him.
Phil 3: 14-15 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. Let us therefore, as many as be perfect [mature], be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, GOD SHALL REVEAL even this unto you.
1John 5: 20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and HATH GIVEN US AN UNDERSTANDING, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
Matt 13: 11 He answered and said unto them, Because IT IS GIVEN UNTO YOU to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Eph 1: 17 that the GOD of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, MAY GIVE TO YOU the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him,
1Cor 2: 10-11 But GOD HATH REVEALED THEM UNTO US by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
2Tim 2: 7 Consider what I say; and THE LORD GIVE THEE UNDERSTANDING in all things.
1Cor 1: 5 That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge.
Col 2: 19b Christ makes the whole body grow as God wants it to, through support and unity given by the joints and ligaments. [God’s Word Translation]
Phil 3: 14-15 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, GOD SHALL REVEAL even THIS UNTO YOU..
2Thes 3: 5 And THE LORD DIRECT YOUR HEARTS into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ.
2Pet 3: 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom GIVEN UNTO HIM hath written unto you;
2Thes 3: 3 Yet faithful is THE LORD , Who WILL BE ESTABLISHING YOU and guarding you from the wicked one. [CLNT]
2Cor 3: 4-5 Now such is the confidence we have through Christ toward God (not that we are competent of ourselves, to reckon anything as of ourselves, but OUR COMPETENCY IS OF GOD), [CLNT]
Col 1: 12 at the same time giving thanks to THE FATHER, Who MAKES YOU COMPETENT for a part of the allotment of the saints, in light, [CLNT]
James 1: 18 Of His own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
1Cor 4: 7 For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?
2Cor 3: 2-3 You are our letter, engraven in our hearts, known and read by all men for you are manifesting a letter of Christ, dispensed by us, and engraven, not with ink, but with the spirit of the living God, not on stone tablets, but on the fleshy tablets of the heart. [CLNT]
Job 32: 8 But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.
WHY DO WE NEED HIS SPIRIT??
Phil 2: 21 For all seek their own, not the things which are Jesus Christ's.
AND WITHOUT HIS SPIRIT WE WOULD BE/THEY ARE:
2Tim 3: 7a Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
VIEWPOINT FROM RAY:
All of God's gifts of spiritual discernment, wisdom, knowledge, understanding, etc., start small and grow. Being "born again" does not make us spiritually mature adults in an instant of time. We grow in grace and knowledge and we mature in the spiritual things of God. I know and understand more today than I did even yesterday. Faith itself increases by the reading of God's Word--a process that takes time.
God will give His Holy Spirit to those whom He has called and chosen. There are no physical formulas now that we know Christ no more after the flesh, we are COMPLETE IN HIM, which certainly includes His Holy Spirit.
I like his part about START SMALL AND GROW... A PROCESS THAT TAKES TIME... If I have ever been judgmental or harsh on this forum, I certainly repent of it and will be cautious about it in the future. Thanks a lot Darren for a refreshing viewpoint!
In His joy, :)
Janice
HI MG~ Just saw your post after I posted AND I LOVE IT!
LittleBear:
Thanks Darren,
I would have to quote your entire post and say AMEN at the end of it, so consider it done. We are growing here not just in knowledge, but in how we relate to each other.
jER,
I love your post. You said it so well.
MG,
I get a lot of spiritual truths from Star Trek too. I totally relate! God shows us bits of truth in the most unexpected places eh?
Janice,
Thanks for the supporting verses. I need to add them to ESword topics.
Ursula
YellowStone:
Thank you all for your heart warming responses.
Gregor:
You wrote: "I have to remember that I will be accountible for my own actions before God, as he has given me a measure of understanding. If I am a good steward with what's been given me, more will be given. "
This is so true, and parallels the parable of the Stward and the talents of Silver given to his three servants. (Mat 25:14-29) It is NOT the amount of Spiritual enlightenment that is given which is important, rather, what we do with it. It must bear spiritual fruits.
Great response, thanks.
Joe:
You wrote: "I totally agree that this should be an oasis, often it is just that but then from time to time we will be tested and some of those doing the testing might not even be aware of what they are doing and why."
This is an excellent point. One does not use a sharp sword to sharpen another, ironically one uses a blunt stone. Yet it is how the stone is used that sharpens the sword, carefully and meticulously. Otherwise the sword will be renedered useless. It is amazing how this is an excellent analogy of how those who have been given a measure of the Spirit, should treat others whom no fault of their own, have not recieved the same measure. The SIMPLE truth is, if one shows another ANYTHING other than the fruits of the spirit, ie. love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance. It is NOT they (the stone) who is being damaged, but the one who is not acting according to the Spirit (the sword)
A simple but profound truth. Great response Joe.
jER:
What you wrote really hit the mark and I will copy it for all to see again. :)
...For the road to understanding is not straight. There is a curve called Failure, a loop called Confusion, speed bumps called Friends, caution lights called Family, red lights called Enemies. And, you will have flats called Jobs. But, if you have a green light called Love, a spare called Determination, an engine called Perseverance, insurance called Faith, a driver called Jesus, you will make it to a place called Wisdom...[/b]
Who would ever want to forget to check the Spare, matain the engine, renew their insurance and treat well the driver. I wonder how many take these simple steps for granted and are shocked when they are needed and are not found.
Yet another simple but profound truth. Awesome
MG:
I almost cried when I read your response. This is what I am talking about. Spiritual Truth cannot be mistaken and when it is found, it is literarily life changing. I always felt close to God and felt such love in the songs of John Denver. God, so cleverly yet graciously allows His Spirit to reveal itself to us in any number of ways. I was never a fan of Sar Trek, never got to watch it I guess, but it so awesome that God chose to reveal a good portion of himself to you through it. Your response reminds me of a stopped analog clock. No matter what, it is going to tell the correct time twice a day.
Janice:
What a great example that one should not become too gloated or puffed up by their understanding of the Scriptures, for all understanding is from God. What would one think of the child who was given a very expensive toy, while his brother was given a cheap plastic one from the dollar store, who then laughed and made fun of his brother and would not share his toy. What would the first boy think if his toy was taken away from him and given to his brother along with numerous other 'better' toys. Just as God's gifts can be given, so too they can be taken away.
A very sobering thought indeed. Thanks Janice. :)
Ursula:
Thanks Ursula, your Amen is greatly appreciated and after reading all of the responses, I would add an "Hallelujah !!"
Praise be to God.
Thanks everyone for your thoughtful responses.
Love in Christ our Redeemer,
Darren
jER:
Indeed, if we take down the walls of contention, there is an Oasis; a fertile place in which to grow in the presence of "living water" that is preserved in serenity amidst the chaos of the world.
A place to gather...bible truths.
Love to you all
- jER
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