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Who's standing here?
Deborah-Leigh:
Ref to http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5855.0/topicseen.html
You know how Ray’s writings are alive with the life of the Spirit of Christ. Well, this statement caught my eye. I wonder WHO are the ones which shall not taste of death till they see the Son of man coming in His kingdom? Ray states in a response to an email excerpt follows:
Quote:
As for "There be some STANDING H-E-R-E which shall not taste of death, TILL [till mean 'until,' and then when the 'till' has occurred, THEY WILL TASTE OF DEATH] they see the Son of man coming in His kingdom" (Matt. 16:28). And just when DID they see this?
Unquote.
Is the match to this verse perhaps this one?
2 Cor 2 : 15 For we are the sweet fragrance of Christ unto God among those who are being saved and among these who are perishing; 16. To the Latter IT IS AN AROMA FROM DEATH TO DEATH, a fatal odour, the smell of doom; to the former it is an aroma from life to life a vital fragrance, living and fresh.
So do you think that the ones which shall not taste of death are the ones who are reserved to judgement and the LOF? I think so. So it is better to taste of death daily than to be reserved to judgment and the second death LOF.
Just some thoughts.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
hillsbororiver:
Hi Arcturus,
Thank you for this Eureka! moment!
Yes, I see what you are saying and I have to say with all the times I read this verse this is the first time it jumped out at me.
This certainly appears that the Lord is addressing the "second death" in Matt. 16:28;
Rev 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
We can be sure that those around Jesus as He spoke these Words had no clue as to what He was actually saying, who at that time (before the crucifixion, resurrection and Pentecost) would have known of the difference between dying to self and physical death? Or of the spiritual warfare that will eventually consume antichrist and the beast within everybody, each in his own time?
This was an eye opener for me and very much appreciated.
His Peace to you,
Joe
Deborah-Leigh:
Thank you Joe
It gives me much joy to have building up through God's word as others join in with witnessing of the Scriptures that come to their minds and hearts. Another Scripture to add is this one which is again found in one of Ray's email responses quote : Eph 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling savour.
I believe this verifies that the ones standing who will not taste death are those reserved to wrath? I believe so.
Taken again from Rays response in the same email quote : Eph 5:15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise. Eph 5:16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
The days are not evil for those who are wicked but for those who are being judged now, daily dying to self as you point out Joe.
Again from Ray's email response that is for me a encouragement for now in this thread. quote :
Eph 5:19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
Eph 5:20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ; Eph 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
Peace be to you
Arcturus :)
rjsurfs:
Arcturus,
--- Quote ---So it is better to taste of death daily than to be reserved to judgment and the second death LOF.
--- End quote ---
Yes, I agree. I have to do more study on those scriptures myself... I particularly am drawn to the phrase "taste of death"... as in figuratively for "experiencing" death. We know literal death is unconsciousness... or without perception... as in Sheol.
I like several quotes from LoF... especially in regards to the Second Death in part 12 of LoF...
--- Quote ---It is true that, "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the Living God" (Heb. 10:31), but that does not negate the fact that there is also "safety, shelter, and covering" in God’s Divine Pond of Spiritual purifying FIRE.
--- End quote ---
and
--- Quote ---"It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God" (Heb. 10:31)
But it is still far better to be "in the hands of the Living God" than to be anywhere else! Even the of worst of scoundrels who have ever lived will fare far better in the hands of the Living God than anywhere else.
--- End quote ---
Having been "called out" of Babylon... and into judgement now is what I pray will indeed burn out the physical in me... the carnality... to be of a spiritual mind and not a physical, carnal mind.
Bobby
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Bobby
Thank you for your contribution. Your post brings to mind this from Ray stated in http://bible-truths.com/death.htm Quote : All humanity will experience "the act of dying," but absolutely no one will ever experience the "state of being dead."
So those chosen who are being judged daily and now are as Paul says 1 Cor 15 : 31 I assure you by the pride which I have in you in your fellowship and union with Christ Jesus our Lord, that I die daily, I face death every day and die to self.
Those dying DAILY will see that the days ARE EVIL because they are a daily death and dying to self which is carrying the cross which not evil in itself but in obedience to Christ, is not a pleasant walk in the garden of roses but by contrast it is a journey through trials and tribulations. What an encouragement this has to be for those who are suffering, alone, going through pain, difficulties and upsets. In such there is hope.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
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