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jER:
Arcturus…that is what it means to "receive the Spirit" of understanding.
It does indeed release a fragrance with a particular flavor.

Mmmm…thanks for the cup of coffee!

 JER

Deborah-Leigh:
Hello jER

How many sugars? :)

Thank you for the compliment but I am not so sure I am right about this assumption or answers to the questions I have asked yet.

I was going to ask Ray but thought it was perhaps better to raise the question here in the Forum and try to get to the truth through discussion with likeminded brethren. Asking Ray would have been the easy way out and if he answered this question then perhaps this discussion would not have come into the Forum to make everyone who also wants to know the truth have to dig for it. I am still digging and I am still not settled to the apparent answer.

I know the Scriptures do not contradict so what does John 8:51 I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, if any one observes My teaching lives in accordance with My message, keeps My word, he will by no means ever see and experience death.

So far we have scriptures that seem to point to tasting death. Ray teaches us to PAY ATTENTION TO THE WORDS.  Are we doing this adequitely enough?  Is the TASTE of death the second LOF death? I think so. Is this what Jesus means when He says there will be those who SEE AND EXPERIENCE DEATH? I think so.

If this is so then what we experience in daily dying to self is NOTHING LIKE what the second death LOF is going to be. For me this too merges with what the Scriptures warn us. Better to die daily now in Judgement NOW. The teachings on http://bible-truths.com/lake3.html quote:

"There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, Who will not suffer you to be tempted above that you are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape [Gk: ‘sequel’] that you may be able to bear it" (I Cor. 10:13).

I'll let you check all the many Scriptures of comfort that God gives us even while we are undergoing all our trials and sufferings. Here’s one more good one, however:

"Blessed [Gk: HAPPY] is the man that endures temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the CROWN OF LIFE, which the Lord has promised to them that love Him" (James 1:12). unquote.

Peace to you

Arcturus :)

Kat:
Hi Arcturus,


--- Quote ---I know the Scriptures do not contradict so what does John 8:51 I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, if any one observes My teaching lives in accordance with My message, keeps My word, he will by no means ever see and experience death.

Is the TASTE of death the second LOF death? I think so. Is this what Jesus means when He says there will be those who SEE AND EXPERIENCE DEATH? I think so.
--- End quote ---

I think you are right, this is referring to the Lake of Fire.
When I looked at different translations it helped to see what this scripture is referring to.

John 8:51 Verily, Verily, I am saying to you, If ever anyone should be keeping My word, he should under no circumstances be beholding death for the eon." (CLV)

John 8:51 Verily, verily, I say unto you: If anyone shall keep, my word, death, shall he not see, unto times age-abiding. (Rotherham)

mercy, peace and love
Kat

Deborah-Leigh:
Kat

Thank you so much for that edification!  Yes the Lord knew about the Judgment and the LOF! Of course!
Who better to know that God is a consuming fire than our Lord Himself!

Peace to you

Arcturus :)

fe32k:
hi,
the verse says "some" inferring that others will taste of this death, so it can not be the lake of fire. This verse is speaking of when Jesus showed the vision of his transfiguration to the two apostles. They did see him coming in his kingdom in that vision. Can someone please correct me if I am wrong.

GBWY,

Fe

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