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When was Adam created???
indianabob:
GENA,
One of the things I learned in college in 1960 was that the land bridge theory became accepted because there was no other way for pioneers from China or Japan or Russia to get to the new world. The reason was that they didn't have any way to maintain a heading on a trackless ocean since the compass had not yet been invented. This is just another example of educators being afraid to admit that anything that they didn't yet understand was possible and that actually they just didn't know how they could have made the crossing.
My answer then and now is that they didn't have outboard motors either, but that didn't stop them from rowing their canoes or hoisting a sail. Pun intended. (smile)
One of the serious failings of educators is the arrogance to believe that they have all knowledge and that knowledge accumulates in sequential time frame. Whereas the fact is that there really were no Neanderthals and no so called cave men who descended from lower animals. To the contrary, most of our ancient ancestors were much smarter and inventive and courageous than present day society and were able to traverse great distances, living off of the land and the sea. If and when they were motivated so to do.
In fact since our ancestors were closer to the original, perfectly created duo, Adam and Eve, they had a much better chance of producing intelligent children than we do today.
The Bible never says that our ancestors were less intelligent, it only says that they were sinners and only evil continually.
My point is that science today NEEDS to believe that the ancient world was of great age, regardless of evidence to the contrary, because to believe otherwise would lead them to conclude that society is not making progress through science.
We are not becoming more intelligent through universal education, just more conformed to the culture that those in power would have us to believe. Soon there will be a lap top computer in the hands of every child in the poorest nations of starving Africa and they will be able to communicate with those of us in the richest nation of the world and yet truth will be so rare as to be rejected by the great majority. But that will be O. K. because we all can celebrate Santa Claus Day and send email Hallmark cards to prove 'we cared enough to send the very best'.
Does anyone recognize that the computer was invented by God and not by man? Does anyone realize that the computer or other forms of communication are available solely because God gave the understanding of electrical power control to a few persistent inventors and that the wide spread use of computers is available only because the rich American and European and Oriental market made it feasible? We waste more money on computers and sending pictures of ourselves in one year than we spend on feeding the needy in ten years or more.
Maybe this is God's plan to let every eye see what God will do in the near future when God's son arrives back on the home planet.
Does anyone really believe what our Bible says in Josh 10:12-14 regarding the long day?
Or the regression of the sun's shadow by ten degrees in 2Kings 20:10
Can God really stop and even reverse the rotation of the planet earth, just to honor the request of His servant?
Perhaps is it just a parable to make a certain point of spiritual significance. I don't think so... ???
The earth may be older than 10,000 years. Human kind may be older than 6,000 years, but the real point is that creation didn't have to take millions of years. Our God could have done it instantaneously if he chose to. There is no limit to what God can do, that is what we need to focus on.
Please excuse my rant. I just like to critique popular science dogma that has been demonstrated questionable for decades.
By the way, the land bridge is only about 100 feet below sea level. The bridge could have subsided due to an earth quake and have been above sea level a thousand years ago. Or that area of the ocean could have been frozen solid 1000 years ago. Who knows? In either case, Columbus wasn't the first human on North America and Queen Isabella didn't have sovereign rights to the new world. She should have gotten in line behind the real pioneers.
Thanks for reading with patience. Indiana Bob
Kat:
Hi Gena,
When you research dating of older civilizations, you run into a host of scientific articles the give dates way back for tens of thousands of years. But one thing to consider is all of these scientist hold to the theory of evolution. So the basis from which they draw their conclusions is flawed.
How do you sort through all this and get to the facts? Well I can't, but Ray has been doing this kind of research for years. I've heard him mention many books he's read. So I think God is giving him the wisdom to come to the truth of this matter, as with many other truths.
He is into a huge study now involving all of these type things, which he will bring what he has been given to the conference next year. He indicates there will be some real eye openers :o
mercy, peace and love
Kat
chav:
Hi
--- Quote ---In fact since our ancestors were closer to the original, perfectly created duo, Adam and Eve, they had a much better chance of producing intelligent children than we do today.
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I'm not so sure that that is true although tradition states that they were perfect. Ray teaches that the scriptures suggest that they were far from perfection , hence their ability to sin.
With regards to Adam's creation we know not how long the sixth day actually lasted. Perhaps mankind was already being formed before Adam (I'm not talking apes here) during that sixth day,and that Adam was a point along the way to mankind being formed into the image of God.
Just pondering
Dave
chav:
Dave wrote
--- Quote ---With regards to Adam's creation we know not how long the sixth day actually lasted. Perhaps mankind was already being formed before Adam (I'm not talking apes here) during that sixth day,and that Adam was a point along the way to mankind being formed into the image of God.
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Have just re thought the above, it doesn't make a lot of sense as the scriptures suggest that Adam was created immortal who then because of his actions became mortal.
and of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou dost not eat of it, for in the day of thine eating of it--dying thou dost die.'
YLT Gen 2:12
because of this, even as through one man the sin did enter into the world, and through the sin the death; and thus to all men the death did pass through, for that all did sin;
Rom 5:12
So it would appear that when the scriptures talk about an Adam they are clearly talking about an individual rather than a species.which was the train of thought I was going along.
cheers
Dave
Dave
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Dave
It is generally taught, believed and accepted that Adam and Eve were created in the image of God. This teaching is false to say the least. :D
Here from http://bible-truths.com/lake15.html quote :
IN THE BEGINNING/IN THE GARDEN
What was the first historically recorded choice of our first parents? We read of Mother Eve that:
"…she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat…" (Gen. 3:6).
But was this the first choice and the first sin attributed to our Mother Eve? No, it wasn’t the first. It was not even the second, or the third choice.
It is generally taught that Adam and Eve were spiritually perfect immediately after their creation, seeing that it says,
"And God saw every thing that He had made, and, behold, it was very good…" (Gen. 1:31).
Never mind the fact that even poisonous snakes were also "very good." Of course everything God made was "good." It was, in fact, even "perfect"—perfect, that is, for the purpose for which it was created.
But did our first parents have perfect and good spiritual character of heart when God completed them? Absolutely not! Far from it! They were as carnal-minded as any two people who have ever lived.
The Scriptures show us that Eve committed every known category of sin there is, before she ever ate of the forbidden fruit. This one should knock your socks off. It knocked mine off when I first discovered it.
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SIN BEGINS IN THE HEART
Man’s mind is not the birthplace of sin. And certainly man’s will is not the originator of sin. God did NOT say: "O that there were such a WILL in them..." (Deut. 5:29). If we will just believe, our Lord tells us plainly where sin originates:
"And Jesus said, Are ye [all of you] also yet without understanding?
Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever enters in at the mouth goes into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth FROM THE HEART; and they defile the man.
For out of THE HEART proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashed hands defiles not a man" (Matt. 15:16-20).
Need I remind any that all of the above thoughts and deeds are sin?
So what pray tell does all this stuff have to do with Mother Eve’s sin in the garden? A lot—everything. The Apostle John classifies all sins into just three categories under one heading.
LOVE NOT THE WORLD—THREE CATEGORIES OF SIN
"Love NOT the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father IS NOT IN HIM. For [for means ‘because’] ALL that is in the world,
the lust of the FLESH,
the lust of the EYES,
and the pride of LIFE,
is not of the Father, but is of the world.
And the world passes away, and the lust thereof: but he that does the will of God abides for ever" (I John 2:15-17).
Notice that "…ALL that is in the world…"—all the sins of the world, have their origin in one of these three categories of sin that proceeds "out of THE HEART." Not out of the "will" or out of the "mind," but "out of THE HEART." The "will" and the "mind" are subject to the "heart," and not the other way around. The heart is not subject to the will, neither is the heart subject to the mind, but rather both of these are subject to the birthplace of all human functions—the HEART!
Simply and unarguably, Jesus states as a fact, that all evil thoughts and sins proceed OUT OF THE HEART.
Now, with all that said, let’s prove once and for all that Mother Eve and Adam were (1) NOT spiritually perfect in any way shape or form, BEFORE they actually ate of the forbidden fruit, and (2) neither did they sin and then partake of the forbidden fruit through the operation of something called "free will."
"And when the woman saw that the tree was GOOD FOR FOOD… Gen. 3:6:
"…lust of the FLESH…" (I John 2:15)
and that it was PLEASANT TO THE EYES… Gen. 3:6:
"…lust of the EYES…" (I John 2:15)
and a tree to be DESIRED TO MAKE ONE WISE Gen. 3:6:
"…the PRIDE OF LIFE" (I John 2;15)
Eve committed EVERY CATEGORY OF SIN THERE IS IN THE WORLD, before… BEFORE she actually ate of the forbidden fruit.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
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