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Kat:

Hi Joe,

The Church is indeed stumbling in the darkness of the physical shadows of His Word.  But at least they do know something about the physical words of the Scripture.
There is a great number of people who have not even reach the shadow of the Word yet.  I'm speaking of the unchurched.  Are they better off in not knowing anything about what the Scriptures say, and that would include heresy?
 
I was trying to talk to my son-in-law about a Scriptural subject that he brought up and it was really frustrating in that he knew very little of what the Scriptures actually say.  Why husband is the same.  

So we really have two categories of people that are blind, those that have reached the shadow and are deceived and those who have not even reached the shadow yet.

I know when my eyes began to be opened, I could relate Spiritural things I was seeing to the physical words of the Scripture I already knew.  
Now those who do not even have a rudimentary knowledge of what the Scripture say seems to present a real difficulty in explaining these things to them.  But they usually don't have an interest in the time it takes to study and come to a good knowledge of what is in the Bible.  So is ignorance better than being deceived? At least churched people usually know something about what the Bible says, sure it's just physical and full of heresy, but it's something.  But they are both blind as a bat, concerning spiritual understanding.

Anyway I was just thinking about this whole segment of people that we don't seem to think about so much.  There is a lot that they have to learn just to get to the shadow.  

mercy, peace and love
Kat

Deborah-Leigh:
Interesting point of view Kat.

Perhaps this is why the Scriptures say Come out of HER and not THEM. We have to know something even if incorrectly rather than nothing perhaps?

Peace be to you

Arcturus :)

Gregor:
Judges 14: 1 Now Samson went down to Timnah, and saw a woman in Timnah of the daughters of the Philistines. 2 So he went up and told his father and mother, saying, “I have seen a woman in Timnah of the daughters of the Philistines; now therefore, get her for me as a wife.”
3 Then his father and mother said to him, “Is there no woman among the daughters of your brethren, or among all my people, that you must go and get a wife from the uncircumcised Philistines?”
And Samson said to his father, “Get her for me, for she pleases me well.”
4 But his father and mother did not know that it was of the LORD—that He was seeking an occasion to move against the Philistines. For at that time the Philistines had dominion over Israel.

God is sovereign. His ways are not ours. We don't always know the purpose and reasoning behind what God does, but we do know that every detail, down to the number of hairs on our heads, is in God's plan. Just as I wouldn't get mad at Satan for being the perfect adversary (just as God intended), neither would I get worked up over "Babylon." The blind are here for a reason:

John 9:3 Jesus answered, “Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but that the works of God should be revealed in him.

Exodus 4:11
So the LORD said to him, “Who has made man’s mouth? Or who makes the mute, the deaf, the seeing, or the blind? Have not I, the LORD?

Leviticus 19:14
You shall not curse the deaf, nor put a stumbling block before the blind, but shall fear your God: I am the LORD.

sonofone:
Well Ray says that we should not be to hard on the Church because this is the birth place of the elect.In fact he says that he does not believe that many if any come to election except through the Church.Paul warned the Gentiles not to boast against the branches.We also don't know whether we are elect or not,Thus the fear and trembling.

Deborah-Leigh:
I think I know what you are saying sonofone.

For me " Come out" does not say go back and show up, attack, return to to fix, begin to harbor feelings of resentment or self righteous indignation. Come out simply says come out. For me it is that simple.

Ray does mention however quote : I know that many people think I am too hard on Christian heresy. That’s because I love them. Would you not show a little "hard" tough love to your children if they were taking mind-destroying DRUGS? Well it is my opinion that Christian heresies are mind-destroying drugs as well. This ministry is a love/hate ministry -- love for all God’s creatures and hate for all the spiritual mind-destroying heretical drugs out there on the streets and on the air waves around the world.

Trust me when I say: When one learns the Truth about our All Wise, All Powerful, All Loving God, the unscriptural theories regarding an eternal hellhole of eternal torture will vanish like the dew in the morning Sun.http://bible-truths.com/lake2.html Unquote

I think what Ray writes above describes "coming out" :) which does not eliminate, change or convert what we come out of.  :) I believe this is part of Gods plan to teach us good from evil.

I believe God's consuming fire brings the following to fulfillment and perhaps indicates why those who have the Spirit of Christ are so hated by the world.

Rev 18:6 Repay to her what she herself has paid to others and double her doom in accordance with what she has done. Mix a double portion for her in the cup she mixed for others. 7. To the degree that she glorified herself and reveled in her wantonness, living deliciously and luxuriously, to that measure impose on her torment and anguish and tears and mourning. Since in her heart she boasts, I am not a widow; as a queen on a throne I sit, and I shall never see suffering or experience sorrow. 8 So shall her plagues afflictions, calamities come thick upon her in a single day, pestilence and anguish and sorrow and famine; and she shall be utterly consumed, burned up with fire, for mighty is the Lord God Who judges her.

Peace to you

Arcturus :)

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