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leeney:
I have been reading these forums as much as time will allow.  I have so many questions, and no patience---I want to know it all now!

  Would you all mind if I ask something here and there, rather than trying to find it in Ray's papers?  I've been reading so much my mind is screaming for a breather.

  You don't worry about Communion, baptism, etc.  It is not necessary to do these things, am I correct here?  What about Christmas?  Is this a man made idea also?  

  And if you WANT to do these things, is that ok?  Or does God frown upon them?

  I was baptized in college--my own decision, in public, by a Presbyterian minister, in a Methodist church, I was sprinkled rather than immersed because that is just how this particular church did it (to me it was all the same, as I felt that it was what was in your heart that mattered, not the physical details).  Now many people of different churches would, I'm sure, tell me what a farce that was.  But to me, it was as real as it gets, because I love God so much, and I wanted to do this to show my love for Him.  In my heart, I felt this was the greatest gift I could give to Him.  I believe this is how He took it, too.  Am I wrong in this thinking?

  My kids were Christened as babies.  During that service they were also baptized, which I thought was just plain nuts, as they had no idea what was going on, and so spirtually, could not agree or disagree with it.  To me, this does not count.  But until today, I was very worried, as they have not been baptized yet, as adults (well, teenagers).  So, I guess I am asking----does this matter?  According to what I've read so far, it does not?  Am I on the right track?

leeney

orion77:
Leeney, I can understand perfectly.  It is good that God has put the desire to seek and learn of His truths.  Like a sponge, trying to soak it all up at once.  :lol:

In the book of Genesis, night always preceded the day, darkness then the light, and God saw that it was good.  We all learn first while under the night (darkness) then comes the day (light), the true light, which is spiritual truths.  No longer do we see Him after the flesh, but the spirit, which is light, life and truth.

We can not see these truths on our own, for it takes the Father to drag us.  To get past His death and into His life is a big difference between the called and the chosen.  Yet, many still love the darkness, keeping Jesus through carnal reasoning, which has caused all the divisions, false doctrines, and physical ceremonies.

I, too was babtized years ago.  I see nothing wrong with being babtized or not.  He has dragged me through the fire...this was a long hard trip, because of my own stubborness...I, now realize who I am...which is nothing, yet now with His Spirit in me, He has opened these dull eyes and deaf ears...and wow what an amazing journey it is!

Christmas, well that is just another carnally minded tradition.  You can do research and find out where it originates from.

Stay in His word, study, learn a little here and there.  It will all come together for you.

God bless,

Gary

Kevin:
Christmas=Christ+mas=
Christ and the catholic mass

Andrew:
A good place to learn about where the Christmas "traditions" come from is the History Channel website.

http://www.historychannel.com/exhibits/holidays/christmas/http://

Now, of course, since the History Channel is a 'secular' site, it doesn't just come right out and call these rituals pagan, but after you read it, there should be no doubt in your mind.

Another source of good information for not only xmas, but easter as well.

 http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org/tracts/index.html

Hope this helps.

Andrew

lilitalienboi16:
Baptism, all those physical rituals are all shadows of spiritual realities that are complete through Christ. If i remember this correctly.

So what God really wants from you is not you to show your love by doing physical things, but by FOLLOWING HIS COMMANDMANTS. Jesus said it plainly.

You cannot serv two masters, this world or Him, if you are a friend of this world you are an enemy of Christ, i think He put that one plainly out like that also. I can't remember the exact verse quotes for these, but the're in the new testement.

Anyway Hes not gonna hate you for being baptised, or look down upon you, He loves everyone :)

Remember GOd is in COMPLETE AND TOTAL CONTROLE.

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