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longhorn:
Break into my house and all bets are off...either they or me is going to die, that will not be an opportunity for me to preach the gospel, it is an opportunity to see if they can do harm to me before I cave their skull in with my 33 ounce aluminum bat. Just being honest....
Longhorn
Becky:
Steve,
that was lovely and i couldn't agree more!
Karen:
I agree with your post Steve. Words well put. Truth in them all those words. ~Karen~
gmik:
steve, becky, longhorn, I have to go along with you all. I will do what I can to protect those I love. I agree we shouldn't wait till it happens. Pray now that you never are put in that situation, but walk it thru to play out your options. (I heard that from a pilot in training-go thru all scenarios in your mind). But I am talking now, safe and sound. I'd like to say that I would turn the other cheek-who knows what strenght the Lord would do right at that very moment that I needed it.
:lol: on another topic. What is May 4 Day of Prayer about. Is that some-thing the carnal Babylon is doing or is there any merit to it??
I was a little surprised to hear that we shouldn't vote. Take no interest then in leadership of our villages, towns, cities, states, country?? It is a bit like the Amish....we in the forum (our village) don't vote, don't put up decorations for holidays, don't celebrate birthdays, don't even actively evangelize. That doesn't seem like a good witness and certainly wouldn't make people want to live like us. Well, I have written long and not included any scripture. I would love some direction-otherwise I will have to go and reread Mike and Ray! :lol:
Joey Porter:
I think it could be a matter of what our intentions are. If we are in some dreadful situation where ourselves or our family are in immediate danger, there may be a couple of different ways to handle it. If we become filled with rage and hate, and take action against the attacker for the sole purpose of taking vengeance and doing harm, that would certainly be considered a sin, I would think.
But if it were a reaction to do whatever was quickest to defend, even with tentativeness, without hatred, I don't know if that would be considered a sin.
Remember, as Mike and Ray always say, Jesus' words are spiritual. "Turn the other cheek" probably doesn't mean to literally turn the other cheek any more than "take the plank out of your eye" means to literally take the plank out of your eye, or any more than "clean the inside of the dish" means to literally clean the inside of the dish. It has more to do with what's in our heart - do we hate those who do us harm? Do we say hateful words and have hateful thoughts toward those who persecute us? Or do we pray for those who persecute us and do us harm?
As an example, if a man broke into your home and began physically assaulting your family, and you were to whack him on the head with a sledge hammer to subdue him, without malice or vengeance, but only in desperation to protect you family, and then turn him over to the authorities for proper prosecution and punishment. It could even be considered for the man's own good. I don't think any of us on this forum would want to take extreme vengeance or wish torment against a person like that. We'd probably even pray for that person - AFTER we did what we had to do for the good of all involved. But obviously someone like that is unstable and it would be for their own good to get whacked on the head and face corrective discipline.
Many times doctors break babies' arms or legs in desparation if the baby is somehow in danger of suffocating in the birth canal or being strangled by the cord. So, I don't think commiting a physical injury against someone could always be considered a sin in all cases.
May God chasten me if I'm wrong about this. It is a very difficult subject to ponder, and as many have accurately pointed out - we should always pray that God will never, ever lead us into this kind of temptation. But as it stands now, I know that there is just no way I could ever stand idly by and watch someone kidnap, torture, or kill a family member or friend - or anyone, for that matter.
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