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Joey Porter:
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--- Quote ---Who in their right mind would not feel their spirit crying out to intervene if they were seeing their daughter getting molested or abducted, or their mother being assaulted.
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Do you think Christ can not see when these things occur? And yet He does not generally intervene to put an end to it. Do you remember when Stephen was being stoned? He looked up to Christ before He died. Christ was watching.
Nobody is saying not to do anything about anything. What we are to do is immitate Christ who did not return evil for evil. When he was reviled he reviled not. When he suffered He did not even threat in return. Instead He commited Himself to God who judges righteously.
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I have shown again and again how we can intervene without actually returning evil for evil. If you believe the right thing to do would be to stand and watch your family get harmed, and believe you would be able to refrain from intervening in that situation, perhaps you're just further along than the rest of us.
Kevin:
I think that he does intervene. If someone were breaking in my house he would intervene by using me to stop that person from causing harm.
Why did Jesus pose that question in Mt26:53? What is more evil? To stop a person from killing 10 people or just to let them go ahead and kill them.
Joey Porter:
Another thing I would like to add - if we would try to justify ourselves by obeying what is written on the pages of our bibles, without a proper understanding of the intent behind the words, we would be making the same mistake as the pharisees, who had a legalistic view of the sabbath:
Mark 2
24The Pharisees said to him, "Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?"
25He answered, "Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need? 26In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions."
27Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."
The pharisees obeyed the commandment just because it's what the letter commanded. Jesus showed that there was a reason behind the letter. Just because the teachings of the NT are not "engraved in stone" does not mean that we can't get overly legalistic with them.
bobf:
--- Quote from: Joey Porter ---I have shown again and again how we can intervene without actually returning evil for evil. If you believe the right thing to do would be to stand and watch your family get harmed, and believe you would be able to refrain from intervening in that situation, perhaps you're just further along than the rest of us.
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I didn't see those posts so I'll go back and look. There is nothing wrong with intervening. I was specifically referring to intervening with evil (violence or threat of violence).
I make no claim as to what I would actually be able to do under those circumstances. Peter swore up and down he would not deny Christ but he still did. I am only making the case as to what we should and should not do.
bobf:
--- Quote from: Kevin ---I think that he does intervene. If someone were breaking in my house he would intervene by using me to stop that person from causing harm.
Why did Jesus pose that question in Mt26:53? What is more evil? To stop a person from killing 10 people or just to let them go ahead and kill them.
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He did not intervene in the case of Stephen. I was answering the question "who in their right mind would not want to intervene..."
In Matt 26:53 Jesus was telling Peter that He did not need Peter's sword to defend Him. I'm saying that a gun etc. is not needed either.
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