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sonofone:
--- Quote from: Craig on January 10, 2008, 08:30:04 AM ---I think you meant Chris ;D
Go ahead and post, unless it leads to confusion or debate there won't be a problem, if the worst happens we will lock the thread or delete the post.
Or PM it to a moderator first.
Craig
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Ok Craig your right by the way I did mean Chris ???
I'll try to be brief. ;) I was looking at the nature of Jesus,when I stumbled on the question concerning Adam.When I consider that there was a point where they had no knowledge,or awareness of Good or evil,an interesting question came to mind.Which is the one I posed.In my thinking I saw somethings that appear to be consistent with the whole of scripture.
God says without faith it is impossible to please him.Now Adam did not need faith to know God was real,so it would appear that Adam enjoyed what everyone wants and looks for.He had undeniable proof as to the existence of God as well as peaceful fellowship with him.
This was great for Adam,but not enough for God.God requires faith in him from us to be pleased with us.So God set up not only a commandment to be obeyed,he introduced conflict,a reason for doubt both in him and his word.This conflict came in the form of a serpent who challenged the word of God.
In the face of this challenge they now have two opposing reports to believe,and absent the ability to know good from evil no way of appreciating or discerning the difference between the two.They knew what God said,and while there was no opposing view they had no conflict or problem in obeying.
It is only after they have an alternative that the commandment is challenged.Whose report would they believe and on what basis would they be persuaded?It is here I reasoned that they had no faith,neither could they have had it absent the requisite knowledge of good and evil.
This seems entirely consistent with scripture.When God gave the law his purpose was to show man that his laws or ways were to high for them to reach in and of themselves.The law revealed our nature and our shortcoming.The only way to satisfy the law now is through faith in the work of Jesus.
I believe the same was true of Adam,God revealed to Adam that he lacked what was necessary to have a relationship with him that was pleasing and acceptable which is faith.Eve proved she had no faith by taking the serpents word over Gods,Adam proved he had no faith by following after his wife,rather than believing that God could restore her.
I believe they never had it as faith is given by God and it involves the full faculty of reasoning.For faith involves persuasion of the mind that what is said is true.You can't have this without a working knowledge of good and evil.
If what I am saying is true.I can see clearly the universal plan of God here,as the story of Adam & Eve would point to a process.
Craig:
--- Quote ---I can see clearly the universal plan of God here,as the story of Adam & Eve would point to a process.
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They last sentence is the key in my mind. If the rest helps you to get that the creation of man is a process, then I would say not to sweat the small stuff.
Man was created carnal and upon creation they were as babes, a baby goes on for awhile sinless, and then they mature, you tell them not to eat a cookie and what do they do? Eat the cookie. Adam and Eve were no different. Adam and Eve knew God, because it says God walked with them, but God did not dwell in them and that is the process we are in now, the process of burning out the carnal I, and replacing it with Christ in us and having God dwell in us. When the day comes that we can say "I and the Father are one" then we will be finished, perfected.
And this is the hardest thing any of us will ever have to go through.
It is a perfect plan.
Craig
sonofone:
--- Quote from: Craig on January 10, 2008, 11:14:39 AM ---
--- Quote ---I can see clearly the universal plan of God here,as the story of Adam & Eve would point to a process.
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They last sentence is the key in my mind. If the rest helps you to get that the creation of man is a process, then I would say not to sweat the small stuff.
Man was created carnal and upon creation they were as babes, a baby goes on for awhile sinless, and then they mature, you tell them not to eat a cookie and what do they do? Eat the cookie. Adam and Eve were no different Adam of Eve knew God, because it says God walked with them, but God did not dwell in them and that is the process we are in now, the process of burning out the carnal I, and replacing it with Christ in us and having God dwell in us. When the day comes that we can say "I and the Father are one" then we will be finished, perfected.
And this is the hardest thing any of us will ever have to go through.
It is a perfect plan.
Craig
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Fair enough thanks.
Little Joe:
--- Quote from: Craig on January 10, 2008, 11:14:39 AM ---
--- Quote ---I can see clearly the universal plan of God here,as the story of Adam & Eve would point to a process.
--- End quote ---
They last sentence is the key in my mind. If the rest helps you to get that the creation of man is a process, then I would say not to sweat the small stuff.
Man was created carnal and upon creation they were as babes, a baby goes on for awhile sinless, and then they mature, you tell them not to eat a cookie and what do they do? Eat the cookie. Adam and Eve were no different Adam of Eve knew God, because it says God walked with them, but God did not dwell in them and that is the process we are in now, the process of burning out the carnal I, and replacing it with Christ in us and having God dwell in us. When the day comes that we can say "I and the Father are one" then we will be finished, perfected.
And this is the hardest thing any of us will ever have to go through.
It is a perfect plan.
Craig
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Thank you Craig, that is very encouraging to me. Ahhh, the wisdom I am gleaning from you guys!! :D
psalmsinger:
Hello ,
I think everyone is given a "measure of faith". Adam and Eve like most of humanity had more faith in their own works and the words of the serpent than they did God. Isn't mankind mostly faithful to the "beast" and it's system? You can certainly have faith in the wrong things or the wrong people. I think as Jesus calls us to have faith in God, He also increases our faith according to His will.
Rom 12:3
3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
(KJV)
Rest in the Lord,
Barbara
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