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onelovedread:
Joe and Vicolive
I really appreciate your posts, and need your help with a personal area of confusion
- Isaiah 9:6: "For a Child hath been born to us, A Son hath been given to us, And the princely power is on his shoulder, And He doth call his name Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Father of Eternity, Prince of Peace." (Youngs translation)
My confusion is with the fact that the verse suggests that one of the names given to Jesus here is Mighty God.
Any comments?
God's richest blessings,
Onelovedread
hillsbororiver:
You are very welcome Vicolive! As to your question onelovedread, here are a few verses I hope help you here;
Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Php 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
I would also suggest reading the two links from BT that were posted previously. There is a wealth of wisdom there! ;)
His Peace to you,
Joe
Deborah-Leigh:
Great pointers Joe!
Here is some more for you vicolive,
From : http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4472.0.html
In the NT we have God and it’s speaking of the Father. Paul introduces every book he has written, you know with that salutation.
Rom 7:25 “I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord!”
2Cor 1:2 “Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.”
And of course if you got a trinity, then Paul really messed up.
1Cor 1:1 “Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God…”
Rom 1:7 “…Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.”
The Holy Spirit is not there. If the Holy Spirit is a person, a personality of a triune Godhead or divinity and Paul has 13 books, but never once acknowledges the Holy Spirit, something is wrong with Paul. 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians… etc. Any book you open up, there is just those two.
Eph 1:3 “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ…”
Phi 1:2 “Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.”
Gal 1:3 “Grace to you and peace from God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ,”
There is no Holy Spirit. Not that the Holy Spirit is nothing or of no consequence, it’s just not a person.
Jesus Christ and God the Father ARE the Holy Spirit! Jesus Christ is that Spirit!
John 16:7 “… I will send him(the Comforter) to you.” v. 15 “… He shall take of Mine, and shall show it unto you.”
What is He going to take of Christ? His Spirit. Where did Christ get that Spirit? From God the Father. But He is going to take of Christ, because it’s going to be the personality of Christ, see. Paul didn’t say, I’m crucified with God, nevertheless I live, yet not I, but the FATHER lives in me. No, it’s, “I have been crucified with CHRIST, nevertheless I live; yet not I, but CHRIST lives in me.” (Gal 2:20)
But see it’s the personality of Christ, that is the spirit that lives in us. And that spirit comes from God. So we can call it God’s Holy Spirit, even though it’s channeled through Christ. Jehovah /Elohim, God the Father(Elohim), you know.
There is MUCH MORE where that came from!
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
Truth101:
I think im more confused than ever ??? ???
Just Who is Jesus Christ? Many have but a superficial knowledge of the real Jesus. And those who have studied the Scriptures deeply, are but scratching the surface of the real Christ. Jesus Christ is a whole lot more than the humble carpenter from Nazareth, Who was born of a virgin and died on a cross. JESUS CHRIST IS EVERYTHING! Everything that ever was, is, or shall be is found in Christ! He is the very CREATOR, SUSTAINER, AND ALMIGHTY GOD OF THE UNIVERSE. God the Father has never directly made Himself known to humanity. It was Jesus Christ Who came to reveal the Father to mankind.
BUt if there is one God (the Father who is the Almighty), how can Jesus also be Almighty God as well if God the Father is the Almighty God and Almighty God of Jesus? Very confusing. I thought I had this one down but now im just confused.
Now Jesus is our "Lord" which has been contrasted with the Father being our God and the God of Jesus but now Isaiah throws me a curve ball as well when it speaks of Christ as being the "Almight God".
Any help clarifying for myself and ONELOVEDREAD would be greatly appreciated.
God Bless,
Dave
rk12201960:
Hi Dave,
in John 1:1
we are told that in the very beginning was the Word ( Jesus)
So that being so we know that He (Jesus) is the only begotten of the Father John 1:14 tells us so.
In Verse 3 we are told Jesus made all things and with out Him nothing was made that was made.
He is life and being the light of all men he is the creator.
In the ten commandments we are told not to worship any other Gods. That being so then if Jesus was not God almighty (beyond human understanding at this point) then this law is a lie!
People worship Jesus even today.
Philippians 2:6 nails this without doubt, Jesus saw no robbery to be equal to God. See what it says?
"Robbery" God the Father gave it to Him and allowed Him to make a claim to such we can see God started making his family right there "the only begotten of the Father" is Jesus Christ.
Now Jesus is doing the same and giving it to the rest of Gods family.
We tend to think in human terms and understanding.
Like Ray said and I agree, when we are born again we are just at the beginning of understanding the true works and Glory of God.
Hope this helps.
Gods speed.
Randy
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