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Beverley:
That is so very true..I can relate to that.
Coconutbev
Deborah-Leigh:
John 3 : 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
We understand and know that non are "born again" and non are saved now in this life time. This is the insight and teaching here in BT. There are no elect here in this age and no one is has yet been birthed into the Kingdom of God except for Jesus Christ.
Excerpt from Re: Esther - The Destiny of Women http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5506.0.html
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....no human being born of a human father has ever made it into the kingdom of God, not one. Jesus Christ born of His heavenly Father, but no human being has ever made it into the kingdom of God, yet. Some are qualified and are sleeping on it, but nobody has made it yet, not one person.
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Also what a spirit body IS, we DO NOT KNOW, Beloved, now are we sons of God, and IT DOES NOT YET APPEAR what we shall be; but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is. 1 John 3:2
We have the example of Jesus Christ being able to change from one nature of being human to another nature of being spiritual.
Angels too can be present yet invisible. They can also minister visibly. Elisha's servant at first did not see that they were surrounded all about by chariots of fire.
The angel was invisible to Balaam but his donkey saw the Angel.
Angels can also appear in human form as they did to Abraham who had a supper prepared for them of which they ate.
An angel appeared to Gideon as a man.
Luke 24 : 39 See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself! Feel and handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see that I have.
I have no problem with a Resurrection to the flesh as reserved for those who need further judgment to learn righteousness when His Judgements are in the EARTH. I have no problem with the first Resurrection that precedes that of all others because through this class all others are to be blessed. Heb 11 : 40 ..God had US in mind and had something better and greater in view for US, so that they (OT heroes and heroines of faith) should not come to perfection apart from us.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
indianabob:
--- Quote from: Phil3:10 on January 24, 2008, 03:18:22 PM ---To All,
This is real meat and I am still on spiritual milk. I feel the elect (very elect) are so much more righteous, holy and spiritual. They are so much above my carnal self that there is no comparison. My simple mind cannot conceive the righteouness and stature of the elect and their very special relationship with our LORD. I do believe they will be in the first resurrection and will judge the rest of mankind with the righteousness that GOD will bring to all the earth. The many will be judged in the Great White Throne Judgement, and that is good. I fear that most all of mankind will be in the GWTJ and have their experience in the Lake of Fire. How much do we really love CHRIST, how much have we suffered for HIM, how long will it take to prepare us to really know HIM the way HE desires? In this fleshly carnal body I am not to sure many of us are qualified until we are spiritually changed to be like HIM. It is just HIM!
Phil3:10
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Dear Friend,
It is good to experience the MILK of God's word and to grow into the MEAT of His word.
Please allow me to add that the 'fear' lessens with every day as we learn God's holy purpose.
Any fear felt by the new student soon changes to AWE and REVERENCE and an excited desire to learn more, which is a much more comfortable human emotion and which leads to complete trust and love that then eliminates fear.
The idea that MOST all of mankind will be in the GWTJ surely will turn out the same way. Those who died apart from God's service whether they were adults or children will soon be comforted with TRUE knowledge and learn in their struggles to place their trust and faith in God's daily help.
They will surely stumble along the way and learn by doing, but I don't believe that the process has to be overly long for any of them. The reason that the process takes as long as it does in this phase is that Satan is still influencing all human activity. When Satan is put away and God's truth is taught everywhere and there is 'one language' throughout the whole world, progress can be accelerated to whatever pace Christ chooses.
As an illustration suppose that Jesus and his elect spend the first several years/decades cleaning up the environment leading those who remain or are present on the earth at that time. The start of that age could be the opportunity to restore the earth to its former beauty and grandeur in preparation for the spiritual work to come. There will be a general cross section of people of all ages and backgrounds and they will learn first hand that God is love.
I won't say that this idea is specifically supported in scripture, but God did begin with a perfect earth and commanded the first couple to have dominion over it and to dress and keep it. Surely it is within God's character to restore the beauty that once was, so that all the oppressed and all who have suffered during the thousands of years gone by would be able to see first hand what God had intended from the beginning.
Those such as my Mother and Dad, who are raised in the GWTJ will not have any sensation of loss for not being in the first resurrection. Their reward will be greater than anything they could ever imagine in their first life.
No one who is the beneficiary of the work of Christ Jesus, even though the path was difficult, will afterwards consider it anything but a wonderful blessing. Any pain they or we have endured will be gradually or even quickly erased from our conscious mind. Perfect love cast out ALL fear.
The next age will be one of loving correction; both of the garden of God physically and of His wayward children who will come to see their Lord and their savior as he IS because we all will be like him.
Bob
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